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Old 01-24-2012, 03:52 PM    (permalink) 
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Who had Alualu as a 2nd day pick? lolthem
Most everyone had him as a high 2nd rounder.
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Further proof that TV and internet scouts are kinda clueless.
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Most everyone had him as a high 2nd rounder.
Actually, I don't think the "high second round" tier exists, since basically anybody who grades out as a "high second round pick" could easily go in the 20s depending on a schematic fit and team needs.

Personally, I would say the talent tiers are: Elite, high 1st round, late 1st and high-mid 2nd round, mid-late 2nd and 3rd round, 4th and 5th round, Late round, Priority Free Agent.

This seems, to me at least, to actually correspond to where where there's a noticeable drop in talent most years. It's rare that the guy who's chosen, say 26th is significantly higher calibre than the guy who's chosen, say, 36th.

So Alualu wasn't really a guy who rocketed from the second round to the top 10, so much as he was a guy who went from the 3rd tier to the 2nd tier.
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Zach Brown... When this guy runs in the 4.5's he'll fly up the draft.
Am I the only one who when watching Zach Brown sees 1st Round athletic abililty but late round tackling and read/reaction skills?
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Actually, I don't think the "high second round" tier exists, since basically anybody who grades out as a "high second round pick" could easily go in the 20s depending on a schematic fit and team needs.

Personally, I would say the talent tiers are: Elite, high 1st round, late 1st and high-mid 2nd round, mid-late 2nd and 3rd round, 4th and 5th round, Late round, Priority Free Agent.

This seems, to me at least, to actually correspond to where where there's a noticeable drop in talent most years. It's rare that the guy who's chosen, say 26th is significantly higher calibre than the guy who's chosen, say, 36th.

So Alualu wasn't really a guy who rocketed from the second round to the top 10, so much as he was a guy who went from the 3rd tier to the 2nd tier.
Based on your vague description, I would have to say that he jumped two tiers, or close to it. In that draft #10 might be considered elite. At the least he jumped a full tier, not just moved from one to the next.

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Am I the only one who when watching Zach Brown sees 1st Round athletic abililty but late round tackling and read/reaction skills?
see Burfict, Vontaze.

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Based on your vague description, I would have to say that he jumped two tiers, or close to it. In that draft #10 might be considered elite. At the least he jumped a full tier, not just moved from one to the next.

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I don't think there has ever been an NFL draft where the "elite" tier consisted of 10 players in the pre-draft run-up. Usually the "elite" tier is about 4 guys.
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I'm not sure why people are naming guys who are pretty much consensus first rounders right now.

A 2nd/3rd round prospect who could be a solid first round pick....I could see Derek Wolfe possibly being that guy for a 34 team looking for a proven 5-tech.
Certainly not top 10 but he could slip into the first if he tears it up at the combine.
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Who had Alualu as a 2nd day pick? lolthem
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My ideas of very surprising picks:

Michael Floyd over Blackmon (maybe 6th to STL).

Cordy Glenn 11th overall to KC.

Coby Fleener 15th to Philly (or 18th to Chicago).

Mychal Kendricks could be a surprise first-round pick. I doubt top-10.

And Stephon Gilmore could be a surprise pick top-20 pick and go over Kirkpatrick. Maybe even as high as 9th to Carolina, 10th to Buffalo, 12th to Seattle, or 14th to Dallas.

Surprise first-rounders:

Brandon Weeden
Chris Givens
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The Jaguars will probably do something stupid with that pick, it's just impossible to figure out what that is. Maybe Mercilus.
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Reports saying the Jags had a private workout with LSU DT Michael Brockers. Fits as the NT in their defensive scheme, and they are known to reach for players. I could see the Jags thinking about trading up for Blackmon, but if they stay at 7 they will pick Brockers/Coples/Ingram.
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Could Bobby Massie be the guy who jumps from 2nd round pick to top 20 selection.

If he can play LT I could see some team pickinghim early.
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Chandler Jones - top 20

Cox and Mercilus - Top 10
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If he can play LT I could see some team pickinghim early.
Yeah another really good candidate.

Anyone surprised by Fletcher Cox in the top 12 is cray.
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As my first post here, I'm going to say Stephen Gilmore.
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The reason I think Gilmore could surprise people in where he's taken is because he's going to appeal to every team in the NFL. Man teams, press teams, zone teams, teams who like bigger, more physical corners who can tackle. His cover and ball skills are not elite like Claiborne, but he might be more "well-rounded" than him. And he doesn't have the issues that Kirkpatrick has.
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Hitting maybe, His tackling is mediocre.

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also weeden at 22 makes sense
Too much sense to fit here. I have mocked him there for weeks.

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This one works. Gilmore in the top half definitely would shock a lot of people.

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