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Old 01-23-2012, 08:52 PM    (permalink
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i like the corner rankings...dre would be my #1 safety tho
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Old 01-23-2012, 09:12 PM    (permalink
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i like the corner rankings...dre would be my #1 safety tho
Agreeable! I was just giving the benefit of doubt saying #2
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nice to see someone other than ROP and I that aren't crazy high on Kalil as an elite top 5 tackle.
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Mayock has been fairly terrible in recent years imo
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Hate to sound ********, but who is #4 OT James Brown?
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from troy? dont know much about him though.


brandon washington not being on the list is ******* criminal
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Mayock has been fairly terrible in recent years imo

He proved that with Kirkpatrick being the 5th rated CB.
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Interesting how high he is on Givens. Not sure I would slot him that high, but he's a guy I want to go back and look at some more for sure, especially now.
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Meh, just the first rankings. Reiff over Kalil makes my Iowa wiener stiff.

Good seeing Janoris Jenkins and Harrison Smith being rated highly.

No mention of Mike Adams is a little criminal.

Also Janzen Jackson as #3 S?
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I'm not as high on Ladarius Green as some people are. I think his hands are questionable, he's not that physical and he plays like he's 6'1 not 6'6 if that makes sense. He doesn't use his size to his advantage.

I think Alshon Jeffery is the 2nd best receiver in this draft, I think he is going to have a very inpressive combine.
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Anything more on Chandler Jones? Definitely a name I just glossed over all the time...No clue when the heck Syracuse would be on the picture box either.
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He proved that with Kirkpatrick being the 5th rated CB.
Really? Calling him terrible at his job because he had Kirkpatrick lower and Dennard higher than you do? That makes sense. I've seen others who also believe that Kirkpatrick is pretty bad at actually covering receivers and is currently ranking high on draftniks' ratings because of reputation.
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Anything more on Chandler Jones? Definitely a name I just glossed over all the time...No clue when the heck Syracuse would be on the picture box either.
Some have said he could be the next Aldon Smith type prospect. Similar size and position, if Jones tests well he will most likely go early. I don't think he's a 1st rounder right now but could be by April. I'd say a 3rd round rating is solid for now....
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Really? Calling him terrible at his job because he had Kirkpatrick lower and Dennard higher than you do? That makes sense. I've seen others who also believe that Kirkpatrick is pretty bad at actually covering receivers and is currently ranking high on draftniks' ratings because of reputation.
We can go back and forth all day on this, but I choose not to. YOU WIN!
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If there is one position I've learned not to question with Mayock, it's DBs. When he says something that's not "consensus" with defensive backs, you'd better ******* pay attention.

I've got a weird feeling that Mayock saw Kirkpatrick get his top blown off by Andre Debose, and that really stuck with him. Just a gut feeling.
It's funny how Mayock has garnered this reputation as a master expert on DB's when it simply isn't true. My lasting memory of him is back in 2007 trumpeting Chris Houston as the best CB in the draft. Pretty sure he was the only guy that had Houston ranked above Darelle Revis (and Leon Hall, for that matter). He was really pumping up Taylor Mays a few years back too.

I find when looking back through his history that he's been wrong far more than he's been right.
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No mention of Mike Adams is a little criminal.

Also Janzen Jackson as #3 S?
Mike Adams is debatable. His play on the field is questionable. He definitely looks the part of an NFL OT.

Janzen Jackson has elite safety talent. He's just a nutcase. (he quit his team, so he will be off numerous NFL teams' big boards)
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It's funny how Mayock has garnered this reputation as a master expert on DB's when it simply isn't true. My lasting memory of him is back in 2007 trumpeting Chris Houston as the best CB in the draft. Pretty sure he was the only guy that had Houston ranked above Darelle Revis (and Leon Hall, for that matter). He was really pumping up Taylor Mays a few years back too.

I find when looking back through his history that he's been wrong far more than he's been right.
I don't think anyone is arguing that he's perfect. But I much prefer Mayock to many of these other so called major draft "experts" such as Kiper and McShay.
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Thing sticking in my mind is how much he loved Gabbert when it seemed so obvious to most of us on this board who watched any film on him that he was god awful.
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Thing sticking in my mind is how much he loved Gabbert when it seemed so obvious to most of us on this board who watched any film on him that he was god awful.
He's great at scouting some positions, and not so great at others. Anyways, I wouldn't put much weight into these rankings, Mayock himself will admit he hasn't watched much of the juniors yet. Don't see how you could hate on Mayock though, he's still as great as ever.
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For sure, it's early in the draft season, I expect many many changes to these lists. Kirkpatrick being #5 is no great injustice imo. I like him, but I like corners that are physical and strong, a lot of teams don't, and the truth of the matter is, if he can't get his hands on you then it's likely you've won the route as the WR. That's true with a lot of big physical guys, but it holds true here, and I could see him having some Brandon Browner in him.

I like his skillset personally, but it would be a scheme fit, I do think he could do the Malcom Jenkins thing and move to FS and be a very very good Safety.
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It's funny how Mayock has garnered this reputation as a master expert on DB's when it simply isn't true. My lasting memory of him is back in 2007 trumpeting Chris Houston as the best CB in the draft. Pretty sure he was the only guy that had Houston ranked above Darelle Revis (and Leon Hall, for that matter). He was really pumping up Taylor Mays a few years back too.

I find when looking back through his history that he's been wrong far more than he's been right.
he was way more pro-earl thomas than mays (and berry for that matter lol)
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Mike Adams is debatable. His play on the field is questionable. He definitely looks the part of an NFL OT.
He struggles with some technique at times (knee bending etc.) but he has the feet and athleticism to play LT and his strength is unreal.

Definitely going to take some work but I think could end up being the #2 #3 OT out of this draft down the road. Some team will pounce on him if he falls and I wouldn't bat an eye if a team fell in love with him over Martin and took him ahead of Martin.
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Thing sticking in my mind is how much he loved Gabbert when it seemed so obvious to most of us on this board who watched any film on him that he was god awful.
EVERYONE was pumping up Gabbert because they were terrified of going with Cam.

Narrative scouting.
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Mayock maybe rated Dre lower then most here expect because of the "Off field issues/pot?"

And it didn't help Brandon Washington moved around the o-line so much.
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Does anyone have his last year rankings?
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