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Old 01-27-2012, 10:20 AM    (permalink
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I think Coughlin is a very good coach and definitely above average. I don't view him as a HOF coach though even if he does get that second SB. If he somehow got a third then I'd have to seriously consider it.
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I think he is well on his way to possibly being a HoF HC but he needs a lot more to his resume before he is anointed. Come back in 5 or 6 years and we'll have the answer.
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His career has been similar to George Allen's, who is in the hall of fame. Allen had a better winning percentage but Coughlin would have the Super Bowls. Does Allen making the hall of fame mean they have to put Coughlin in? Maybe.
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My problem with Coughlin is that I don't really feel he's one of the top 3-4 coaches in the NFL during his career. His best years have been recently and if he keeps this up, I might think differently, but I'd put others in front of him and those others aren't hall of fame candidates either.
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Haven't read every post but how many former NFL HCs have won 2 SBs??
It's nearly an automatic for the HOF for a head coach if you win 2, I would think.

Same goes for Eli.
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Haven't read every post but how many former NFL HCs have won 2 SBs??
It's nearly an automatic for the HOF for a head coach if you win 2, I would think.

Same goes for Eli.
8 have done it and 5 of them are not in the Hall of Fame, so there goes that theory.

3 is a stone cold lock, 2 isn't.
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8 have done it and 5 of them are not in the Hall of Fame, so there goes that theory.

3 is a stone cold lock, 2 isn't.
Here's where Coughlin's run to the AFCCG with a Jacksonville team that had just started existing not long before helps him. That's no championship run, but that's the type of performance that's the next best thing. If the giants win next sunday and Coughlin gets the giants to make just one more deep run I think he'll have a great case. 2 superbowls, 2 impressive deep runs, and a strong resume who's major fault is an overabundance of loyalty to less than ideal co-ordinators.
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Which two win SB coaches aren't in the HOF??
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Which two win SB coaches aren't in the HOF??
Tom Flores, Jimmy Johnson, Bill Parcells, George Seifert, and Mike Shanahan(although he isn't eligible yet)
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I always forget that Seifert was the HC of the '89 49ers. So a little less than half of the 2-SB coaches aren't likely to get into the HoF, and a quarter of them have approximately a 0% chance of getting in.

Even though I brought up Coughlin's run in Jacksonville, I don't see that helping his HoF case one bit. Carolina also went to the NFCCG the same exact year, under the same exact circumstances, with Dom Capers as the HC. Football historians are going to chalk that up to a generous expansion draft; and the fact that those two teams had the first and last selections in each round of the 1995 NFL Draft, giving them 14 draft picks each, before they ever made any trades.

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IMO Parcells and Jimmy Johnson are HOF locks. SHanahan eventually is going to get in.

So of the eight 2 win SB coaches, that would make five, Shanny would be sixth.

Seifert's candidacy is always going to be hurt by coaching teams put together by Bill Walsh.
And how long was Flores a HC?? I think being the Raiders HC has something to do with the fact that he isn't in.

I think Coughlin's career in Jacksonville will weigh positively in his favor, especially if he gets the NYG's their second Lombardi under his tenure.
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8 have done it and 5 of them are not in the Hall of Fame, so there goes that theory.

3 is a stone cold lock, 2 isn't.
Except how many played in NY or rather coached? If there is any benefit of playing in the biggest media market, NY, I think this is it. You win here, you are a god. Same with the any sport in fact. Not all media markets are created equal. If you win here you get more attention, and I think that yields more of a chance to get into the HOF.

Also, the eras are different now. This is the free agency era where keeping core players is hard enough. If, a coach or player can win 2 super bowls, that's a hell of an accomplishment in any market. But when you do it here in NY, that's even bigger.
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IMO Parcells and Jimmy Johnson are HOF locks. SHanahan eventually is going to get in.

So of the eight 2 win SB coaches, that would make five, Shanny would be sixth.

Seifert's candidacy is always going to be hurt by coaching teams put together by Bill Walsh.
And how long was Flores a HC?? I think being the Raiders HC has something to do with the fact that he isn't in.

I think Coughlin's career in Jacksonville will weigh positively in his favor, especially if he gets the NYG's their second Lombardi under his tenure.
With Oakland, there's always the implicit understanding that the "Head Coach" is usually just the "Offensive Coordinator/Asst Head Coach."

Everyone knows who the Head Coach in Oakland is/was.
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With Oakland, there's always the implicit understanding that the "Head Coach" is usually just the "Offensive Coordinator/Asst Head Coach."

Everyone knows who the Head Coach in Oakland is/was.
Well if you are implying what I think you are implying then Al Davis is controlling the raiders from beyond the grave.
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i don't think he needs to win to be in the hall of fame,i think he's a hof coach now! i'm a lifelong redskins fan,and i hate the giants,but i give credit where it's due,coughlin is an nfl hall of fame coach now!
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Then John Madden shouldn't be in the Hall of Fame.
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I believe John Madden was put in much later, well after his coaching was over. He was put in for his total contributions to the game. That includes coaching, tv, and yes even the video game.
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Maybe. I heard a lot of people always thought he was going to come back to coaching even after he said he would never do it again, which may have delayed his chances.
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IMO Parcells and Jimmy Johnson are HOF locks. SHanahan eventually is going to get in.

So of the eight 2 win SB coaches, that would make five, Shanny would be sixth.

Seifert's candidacy is always going to be hurt by coaching teams put together by Bill Walsh.
And how long was Flores a HC?? I think being the Raiders HC has something to do with the fact that he isn't in.

I think Coughlin's career in Jacksonville will weigh positively in his favor, especially if he gets the NYG's their second Lombardi under his tenure.
Jimmy Johnson has only 80 wins and is only 16 games over 500. The 2 Super Bowls are great but you have to look at his whole career.With how Shanahans teams have been doing he is going in the opposite direction of the Hall of Fame.
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I always forget that Seifert was the HC of the '89 49ers. So a little less than half of the 2-SB coaches aren't likely to get into the HoF, and a quarter of them have approximately a 0% chance of getting in.

Even though I brought up Coughlin's run in Jacksonville, I don't see that helping his HoF case one bit. Carolina also went to the NFCCG the same exact year, under the same exact circumstances, with Dom Capers as the HC. Football historians are going to chalk that up to a generous expansion draft; and the fact that those two teams had the first and last selections in each round of the 1995 NFL Draft, giving them 14 draft picks each, before they ever made any trades.

lol.
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Jimmy Johnson has only 80 wins and is only 16 games over 500. The 2 Super Bowls are great but you have to look at his whole career.With how Shanahans teams have been doing he is going in the opposite direction of the Hall of Fame.
Jimmy Johnson is a lock. You can't rationally keep the guy out. I know he's been eligible for a while now, but he won back-to-back SBs with possibly one of the best teams in NFL history that he built almost exclusively through the draft.

And when's the last time the Dolphins were any good??

JJ's Cowboys teams were so dominant in Dallas, Jerruh hired a wishbone college coach to be the next HC after JJ left and even he won a SB.

No HC has won big in D.C. except George Allen and Joe Gibbs. I doubt HOF voters will hold it against Shanahan's record in SF and Denver if he doesn't build a SB contender in the nation's Capitol.

Beating Belichick twice in the SB, a HC who's going to be ranked up there with Lombardi, Chuck Noll and Don Shula when he retires, is going to make Coughlin's 'two' potential SBs look sterling IMO.
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Jimmy Johnson is a lock. You can't rationally keep the guy out. I know he's been eligible for a while now, but he won back-to-back SBs with possibly one of the best teams in NFL history that he built almost exclusively through the draft.

And when's the last time the Dolphins were any good??

JJ's Cowboys teams were so dominant in Dallas, Jerruh hired a wishbone college coach to be the next HC after JJ left and even he won a SB.

No HC has won big in D.C. except George Allen and Joe Gibbs. I doubt HOF voters will hold it against Shanahan's record in SF and Denver if he doesn't build a SB contender in the nation's Capitol.

Beating Belichick twice in the SB, a HC who's going to be ranked up there with Lombardi, Chuck Noll and Don Shula when he retires, is going to make Coughlin's 'two' potential SBs look sterling IMO.
Johnson had a lot of HOF talent many coaches could probably win with that team plus he only coached 9 years he does not have enough longevity to make the Hall of Fame. They will hold Shanahans record against him it pretty much shows without a HOF QB he is not that good of a coach.m How many years was Coughlin considered a Hall of Fame coach not many maybe 2 at best.

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If shanahan gets in, they need to cancel the entire thing.
I think that Shanahan needs to win one without Elway and Davis before he gets serious consideration.

I also think that Jimmy Johnson would be getting some legitimate buzz right now if he were ever going to get serious consideration. He has been out of th league for about 13 years now.

These guys are very good coaches, but it's not the Hall of Very Good.

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