Moore Overrated?

Thunder&Lightning · 02-02-2012, 01:22 PM

Bothers me how people say Kellen Moore is overrated...

So hes overrated because he is a household name that put up record breaking numbers but is undersized, with an average arm, and might be a product of a stystem?

But Tannehill who lost more games in one season than Moore did in his career is a potential first rounder.. huh? It just doesnt make sense to me how the winningest QB in college history is getting beat up so badly because he got jipped of the tall gene... Its unfortunate that he put in 4 years of almost perfection, and just because he doesnt measure out ideal in Indy he gets screwed.

People get way too caught up in what the prototypical prospect should look like... Pretty sure greatness is measured by the number to the left of the dash not by how far you can throw a football jamarcus russell...

IMO a guy like Tannehill is the one overrated, kid cant win but has all the tools...

Winning is Wining.

Just had to get that off my chest quick. 99% of you will probably completely disagree with me, but thanks to the 1st amendment, it is what it is.

Hurricanes25 · 02-02-2012, 01:24 PM

Ken Dorsey was a winner too. That didn't make a good prospect nor should it have.

prock · 02-02-2012, 01:26 PM

Oh god, not another one of these JUST WINZZZ TEH GAMEZZZ threads...

Thunder&Lightning · 02-02-2012, 01:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Hurricanes25

Ken Dorsey was a winner too. That didn't make a good prospect nor should it have.

Ken Dorsey had one of the best supporting casts ever. You could give a lot of examples about winners. But few ever got a shot. Dorsey was not the winningest QB ever either.

Thunder&Lightning · 02-02-2012, 01:27 PM

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Originally Posted by prock

Oh god, not another one of these JUST WINZZZ TEH GAMEZZZ threads...

It is what it is.

DraftSavant · 02-02-2012, 01:27 PM

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SuperPacker · 02-02-2012, 01:29 PM

Dont get me started on Kellen Moore. He is terrible, in every single way. He will be out of the league in 2 years.

Im never talking about him again. It pains me to even think about him playing in the NFL, not that he will.

Shane P. Hallam · 02-02-2012, 01:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Thunder&Lightning

Ken Dorsey had one of the best supporting casts ever. You could give a lot of examples about winners. But few ever got a shot. Dorsey was not the winningest QB ever either.

Next two in line:

Colt McCoy

David Greene.

Not exactly the great NFL prospects/players there.

It's more than being short. He looks like a high school kid who has never seen the inside of a weight room. His arm strength is poor, his release is low and weird, he has to go full power just to get it 15-20 yards. He has had a longer passes, but they all sail and aren't NFL throws. Couldn't hit an out route to save his life 95% of the time. THAT'S why he isn't a great prospect.

Could he be a back-up a la Chase Daniel? Sure. But that doesn't make him a good prospect.

Thunder&Lightning · 02-02-2012, 01:40 PM

figured id get hosed for this... ya win some ya lose some.

ATLDirtyBirds · 02-02-2012, 01:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Thunder&Lightning

figured id get hosed for this... ya win some ya lose some.

Good job on taking the beating like a man.

Prowler · 02-02-2012, 01:46 PM

Depends on where people think he should be drafted. I'm setting the bar around:

1st Round- What a terrible pick, fire the GM
2nd Round- Whoa, that was a terrible reach
3rd Round- Damn...reach city. Must have been a huge run on QBs
4th Round- Not a big fan, but at least its not a high pick
5th Round- A little early for him, but teams might be desperate

THE BAR ----------------------------------------

6th Round- He can be drafted here if a team falls in love with him
7th Round- I would be tempted to draft him here as a backup, but most likely would just let him slip to UDFA.

SuperPacker · 02-02-2012, 01:48 PM

Can we please close this thread because its making me sick! Arghhhhhh! I hate Kellen Moore.

ElectricEye · 02-02-2012, 01:53 PM

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Originally Posted by SuperPacker

Can we please close this thread because its making me sick! Arghhhhhh! I hate Kellen Moore.

You try way too hard.

CashmoneyDrew · 02-02-2012, 01:54 PM

If you consider using a draft pick on him, then yes, you are vastly overrating him as a prospect. Great college player, turrible prospect. End of story IMO.

SuperPacker · 02-02-2012, 01:57 PM

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Originally Posted by ElectricEye

You try way too hard.

Trying to what? I despise Kellen Moore. Can't i express my opinion?

Thunder&Lightning · 02-02-2012, 01:57 PM

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Originally Posted by ElectricEye

You try way too hard.

2nd that statement.

bitonti · 02-02-2012, 03:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Prowler

Depends on where people think he should be drafted. I'm setting the bar around:

THE BAR ----------------------------------------

6th Round- He can be drafted here if a team falls in love with him
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+1 there's nothing horrible about drafting Moore, it's a matter of getting correct value. His height is a concern, as is arm strength. that pushes him down.

but heck there's a 6th rounder in the Super Bowl this weekend playing QB, it's not the end of the world to be drafted late.

SuperPacker · 02-02-2012, 04:10 PM

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Originally Posted by bitonti

+1 there's nothing horrible about drafting Moore, it's a matter of getting correct value. His height is a concern, as is arm strength. that pushes him down.

but heck there's a 6th rounder in the Super Bowl this weekend playing QB, it's not the end of the world to be drafted late.

And how many other 6th round pick QB's have played in superbowls. Maybe one player can do that but that doesnt mean every other QB drafted in the 6th round is going to be one of the greatest QB's of all time.

Yes, there is a chance, course theres a chance. But get me the numbers, how many QB's have been drafted in the 6th round and how many have had good careers. My guess is pretty low.

Prowler · 02-02-2012, 04:18 PM

Agreed that drafting Moore isn't necessarily horrible. Value is dependent on market and team's perceptions/needs. Its the reason why Tannehill won't be considered a huge reach at the end of the 1st round. The market/team's opinions dictates our draft boards. If a team has Moore, then we adjust accordingly. His rough consensus projected value is that of a late round flyer.

*and Rounds 1 and 2 are considered starter material rounds, 3-4 potential spot starters and developmentals, 5-7 are more upside, backups, and special teams type picks that fill out a roster. So when a team drafts Moore late, then they are saying that he's there to be the backup/developmental type to fill out their roster. They aren't looking for Super Bowl leadership, just a body. Teams need bodies.

prock · 02-02-2012, 04:19 PM

Yeah, it is low, but nothing wrong with getting a back up QB in the 6th. Obviously no one is arguing the likelihood of Moore being a SB quarterback from the 6th round... I don't think anyone on this board is that ********.

SuperPacker · 02-02-2012, 04:22 PM

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Originally Posted by prock

Yeah, it is low, but nothing wrong with getting a back up QB in the 6th. Obviously no one is arguing the likelihood of Moore being a SB quarterback from the 6th round... I don't think anyone on this board is that ********.

Back up is a bit of a push.

Prowler · 02-02-2012, 04:25 PM

Its only viewed as a push because only a few teams such as the Packers and Patriots actually push to develop their backup qbs through the draft. If more GMs and coaching staffs were worth a damn, there would be a lot more success stories.

49erNation85 · 02-02-2012, 04:26 PM

Y'all hate on him too much just because of his Height issue. I'm sure if he was 6'3 all of you would love him and not care about his arm strength to much because he has above average accuracy. Not every QB needs to throw the deep rout to be successful.

Hurricanes25 · 02-02-2012, 04:30 PM

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Originally Posted by 49erNation85

Y'all hate on him too much just because of his Height issue. I'm sure if he was 6'3 all of you would love him and not care about his arm strength to much because he has above average accuracy. Not every QB needs to throw the deep rout to be successful.

His arm strength is incredibly weak. Accuracy is important but it can't always make up for a lack of arm strength. He's probably got the weakest arm in this draft class.

keylime_5 · 02-02-2012, 04:33 PM

terrible arm strength.
terrible size.
not athletic.

what's not to like?

you can be a surgeon with your ball placement in the NFL - but if you can't put any zip on the throws into tight spaces they will be interceptions instead of completions every single time. Not being able to fit balls into tight spaces = out of league before long nowadays.