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Old 02-02-2012, 05:34 PM    (permalink
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I hate that every small QB gets compared to Drew Brees. First it was Colt McCoy and at the Senior Bowl they were comparing both Wilson and Moore to Brees and it's just a Disgrace to Drew, I admit that I don't know what kind of Prospect he was coming out of College but he must have been good to go at the Top of the Second Round but man Drew has a pretty Strong Arm and can Read Defenses something that the other QB's can't do.
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He's a smart kid with pretty good accuracy who's short and frail-looking, not strong, and not super athletic. He's got the smarts and accuracy to run a prolific collegiate offense, but his lack of physical ability is always going to limit what he can do in the NFL. As people have said - his deep ball floats, and his out route is not good. Can he learn an NFL offense and do enough to win some games, or at least avoid losing them? I think so, and that's probably enough for him to appear in some games and earn a few NFL paychecks. But unless he can somehow dramatically improve his arm strength, he's always going to be a guy who needs his receivers to be wide open and his running game to be effective for him to have success. Tannehill, on the other hand, is physically superior in every category, and there's no reason to believe he's any less intelligent. For what it's worth, what makes people think Moore is so smart, except that he wins games despite being short and frail? He must be smart, I guess. Tannehill's planning on medical school, so I have little doubt he can learn to diagnose defenses, too, and with as tough as he is in the pocket, I'd be willing to take a chance on him and see if he can put it all together. And pimping Moore because he just wins games is just as dumb as knocking Tannehill because he didn't win enough. He didn't play freaking defense. That Aggie team folded over and over again last year. So you can't say, "Why do you want Tannehill, who loses games, but not Moore, who wins games?" Come ON. Tannehill is 6'4" 220, throws a good deep ball and a great out, is tough in the pocket, and has learned very quickly. Moore is a guy who's had years to master a system, is small and unimpressive, and won a lot of games on a team that was already winning a lot of games in a mediocre conference. Thats why people prefer Tannehill. Tannehill profiles as a starter, Moore as a backup. Might Tannehill suck? Might Moore turn into a Hall of Famer? Sure. Who knows. But the people who think Moore will be an NFL starter I think are really underestimating how much the increased overall ability of NFL players is going to compare to Moore's. I think he's just out of his league in the NFL
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I agree with you that Tannehill is overrated. I think he has potential to be a good starter, but I think he may need a bit more time to develop.

As for Moore, I don't see why anyone would draft him. I think we can all agree than Colt McCoy is not a great player. Well, Moore is smaller, less athletic, and has a worse arm. He will never be a starter but he might make it as a backup. But I'm not drafting a guy whose ceiling is backup QB any higher than the sixth round. And at that point, I'd rather draft a QB like Ryan Lindley who has much higher upside.
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Can we please close this thread because its making me sick! Arghhhhhh! I hate Kellen Moore.
You do realize that Kellen Moore is eligible for the draft, and that virtually every draft eligible player is an entirely appropriate topic for this message board, right? Especially when they're quarterbacks?

If you don't like a player, explain what you don't like about him, don't just say "stop talking about this topic, it sickens me." If that's actually the case, just don't click on this thread.

Personally, I think Moore is worth a 6th or a 7th just to see if you can maybe turn him into a player, and he deserves at least a PFA grade.

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His arm strength is incredibly weak. Accuracy is important but it can't always make up for a lack of arm strength. He's probably got the weakest arm in this draft class.
Ignore him, that's the same guy who slobs on Tebow's knob. He obviously is clueless about quarterback play.
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The consensus seems to be that he may be worth a late flier/UDFA who is sure to sign on somewhere as a camp body, so I don't think he's overrated.
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terrible arm strength.
terrible size.
not athletic.

what's not to like?

you can be a surgeon with your ball placement in the NFL - but if you can't put any zip on the throws into tight spaces they will be interceptions instead of completions every single time. Not being able to fit balls into tight spaces = out of league before long nowadays.
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Sherron Collins won da gamez in college

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Moore is a nice guy, but his NFL career is more likely in laundry than QBing.

Ryan Tannehill has physical talent to go in round 1 but lacks the mental talent and experience. I could see him as a mid rounder but I know someone will fall in love with his potential and way over-draft him.
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You have to be rated to be over rated. Kellen Moore will be a good backup as he will be a player who will prepare well and get the talented QB or Tim Tebow ready to play on Sunday.
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I will say this of Moore; I'm really impressed he's able to do what he's able to do with the hand he's been dealt. I'm by no means trying to say he's any kind of NFL prospect, but the guy deserves his due for that at the very least. The way he's able to anticipate and get the ball out of his hands as quick as he can is super impressive and kind of cool to watch.


....still doesn't make him a prospect though.
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Quite a few coaches at the senior bowl were/are interested in Moore and Russell Wilson as a backup.
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Some team will let him hold a clipboard. Hes very intelligent and is very accurate so in a terrible situation he may be able to come in and not do absolutely terrible. Hes a god damn genius when it comes to football, though so I would rather just seem him get right into coaching.
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Kellen is a moneyball prospect: He doesn't look the part, but he can read the stitches on the fastball.

I'm a total homer, but I think Kellen's game will translate to the NFL. He can read a defense better than any college QB I've ever seen. Lots of his wins were against lousy teams, but he was perfect against BCS teams (6-0), and he won a Fiesta Bowl. Watch the film of his game against UGA with a completely new set of recievers.

If NFL teams would draft Nathan Enderele and Tom Brandstater on size alone, I would think a team would take a chance on a guy who has everything except size.
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Matt LionHeart, just winzzzz games. Till Young trolled him.

LionHeart would have went #1 overall, was a pretty good prospect.
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There isn't much to like about him as a prospect. The things I do like are his accuracy, ability under pressure and his leadership.

But there are so many things wrong with him. His arm makes Colt McCoy's look like Matt Stafford's. Hes not very athletic. He looks like hes fourteen years old, which means he isn't gonna be able to take many hits. He has to windup to make the ball go 20 yards. The arm and size alone are fatal flaws because of how poor they are.

Also, sure his team isn't close to as good as to what Ken Dorsey had. But if you consider the competition he had to face, Boise State was a powerhouse.

Would I take him in the 7th round? Sure why not lets see what he has, theres no risk in that. But i have never had more confidence that a prospect will fail more than I have for him. Nothing personal against the guy, im sure hes a good guy just not an NFL player. I will enjoy watching him in the arena league.
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Kellen is a moneyball prospect: He doesn't look the part, but he can read the stitches on the fastball.

I'm a total homer, but I think Kellen's game will translate to the NFL. He can read a defense better than any college QB I've ever seen. Lots of his wins were against lousy teams, but he was perfect against BCS teams (6-0), and he won a Fiesta Bowl. Watch the film of his game against UGA with a completely new set of recievers.

If NFL teams would draft Nathan Enderele and Tom Brandstater on size alone, I would think a team would take a chance on a guy who has everything except size.
Except he doesn't have everything except size...he has everything except size (height and body to withstand NFL hits) and arm strength.

I think it would be interesting to draft him in Round 6 or 7 with the intention of getting him on the coaching staff when that initial contract expired.
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Except he doesn't have everything except size...he has everything except size (height and body to withstand NFL hits) and arm strength.

I think it would be interesting to draft him in Round 6 or 7 with the intention of getting him on the coaching staff when that initial contract expired.
Size and strength can be added and built upon. Either you can read defenses and make quick, accurate decisions or you can't. Kellen does that better than Luck or RGIII. I laugh when guys say they would take Lindley or Corp over Moore when those guys were downright lousy in college. How does a crappy college QB become a make a good pro?
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