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Old 02-04-2012, 08:46 PM    (permalink
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Yes Revis struggled against Dez for a couple of plays and Stevie has his number, but it's not like Suggs was on his game 100 percent of the time. With the game being completely focused on pass now, having him shut down his side pretty much every single game easily makes him a top 2 defensive POY candidate to me.

Nice ignoring of Justin Smith on that list, good thing you could come up with an argument for him. Allen I'm glad we have an agreement on, and whatever with Ware.
Didn't see him.

Justin Smith did a lot for his club and honestly probably deserves to be in the conversation as well but he doesn't play a position that gets the glory.

End of the day though Suggs did a lot for his club AND put up the #s

As far as Suggs not being on. I can't think of a single game where he wasn't a major impact. Even if he wasn't putting up 3 sack games every week, he was doing something else that allowed us to get the win.

I go back to the AFC divisional round again and point out that despite his lack of sacks, the dude covered Andre Johnson. He is always doing something that lets the rest of our D do what they need to do.

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He gave up like 2 catches to Dez. I swear people hold Revis to such a high standard. He gives up a highlight catch or two and he is overrated.He did struggle against Stevie though.

Jarred Allen had 1 tackle and 0 sacks against both N.O and the raiders but people will just say he was double teamed. So it wasn't his fault.
At the same time, people give him way too much credit sometimes.

Revis shuts down half the field, so he should be defensive player every year right?

The fact is the dude didn't have a DPOY type season. Doesn't take anything away from him as the best corner in the league and a top overall defender.
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sorry to cherrypick, but after 4 years ago (i think) with champ, this all sounds so familiar.
Yea yea Champ Bailey deserved it we get it :P
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Ware's an absolutely phenomenal run defender and pass defender for that position so the fact that Suggs was good at it to this year doesn't make him better than Ware who had more sacks with less help, including a drastically worse secondary.

Ware, Allen, Suggs, Justin Smith, Revis...**** you osi otherwise JPP would be in this group...all deserved consideration for DPOY and none really clearly differentiated themselves IMO. Giving it to the guy with the shinier numbers on one of the two best defenses and teams isn't something that you can really fault the AP writers for too badly. It's safe and easy too defend.
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Justin Smith took his game to an elite level this year and should of certainly been considered
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Aside from the sack numbers, Ware didn't deserve DPOY.
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IMO Darrelle Revis should be winning DPOTY year in and year out. What that guy is doing is amazing, IMO.

I think he's so good people are forgetting how good he is, and thus overlook him for other players who have a standout season, if that makes any sense lol.
But yes, AP writers shouldn't be choosing these things. Players and coaches should be choosing these, AND the Pro Bowl too.
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Ware's an absolutely phenomenal run defender and pass defender for that position so the fact that Suggs was good at it to this year doesn't make him better than Ware who had more sacks with less help, including a drastically worse secondary.
What do you mean Suggs was good at it 'this year'? No disrespect to Ware who I hold a very high opinion of, but if I need to a guy to set the edge, take on pullers and shed blocks in the run game, I'll go take Suggs over him everyday. Suggs has been an elite run defender for most of career and has just really started to peak as a pass rusher these last couple years.
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But yes, AP writers shouldn't be choosing these things. Players and coaches should be choosing these, AND the Pro Bowl too.
It would still just be a popularity contest then. Pro coaches have even more on their plates than college coaches who shouldn't be doing any kind of voting. There is no god damn way they can possibly see all of the teams and games in order to justify giving them the right to vote on something like this.

I'd personally have a committee of some kind chosen by the league. Guys who can go back and review every game and talk it out.

And not reporters...they're bias morons with an agenda. Have the committee be made up of former players and coaches who at least have some understanding of the game and aren't currently active, so they aren't ridiculously busy.
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Players and coaches don't have time to do it.
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What do you mean Suggs was good at it 'this year'? No disrespect to Ware, but if I need to a guy to set the edge, take on pullers and shed blocks in the run game, I'll go take Suggs over him everyday. Suggs has been an elite run defender for most of career and has just really started to peak as a pass rusher these last couple years.
Nothing really, just poor wording. My point was that Ware was also a really good all around defender, with numbers like his and a secondary that bad, that's a good enough case to earn DPOY.
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Suggs had a great season, but Justin Smith really takes the cake for me. He had such an impact from a position that is more purposed to allow the other players on the defense to make the plays. He was a monster.
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As far as Suggs not being on. I can't think of a single game where he wasn't a major impact. Even if he wasn't putting up 3 sack games every week, he was doing something else that allowed us to get the win.
He was shut down against the Chargers.
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Jared Allen was royally screwed out of DPOY. No way, no how was Suggs better.
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Rogers wins by a landslide, brady stays the only unanimous
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There was no way Rodgers was going to win unanimously, nor should he have. Brees definitely got jobbed on his vote count. I can't believe he got 2 total votes.
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Really excited for Suggs...the next HOF on the Ravens' D after Lewis/Reed...The guy's going on almost a decade of being one of my favorite players, period, and he is FINALLY going to turn 30 only this season.
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still bummed that brees didnt win. Its not that he really got robbed in any of his years but I still cant believe he hasnt won MVP in any of the 2008, 2009 and 2011 seasons. It seems that the reasons not to give it to him in one season all of a sudden are no longer valid when they work in favor of him in the next season.

I really have a feeling that Brees will somehow be destined never to win the MVP.
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still bummed that brees didnt win. Its not that he really got robbed in any of his years but I still cant believe he hasnt won MVP in any of the 2008, 2009 and 2011 seasons. It seems that the reasons not to give it to him in one season all of a sudden are no longer valid when they work in favor of him in the next season.

I really have a feeling that Brees will somehow be destined never to win the MVP.
Ware's well on his way to a HoF career and he has yet to win a DPOTY award. One got robbed from him (**** that POS James Harrison), and this year he was well in the running. What he was able to do this season with zero help around him was damn impressive.
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He gave up like 2 catches to Dez. I swear people hold Revis to such a high standard. He gives up a highlight catch or two and he is overrated.He did struggle against Stevie though.

Jarred Allen had 1 tackle and 0 sacks against both N.O and the raiders but people will just say he was double teamed. So it wasn't his fault.
Wait. So Allen had two bad games this year? What a fraud.
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I really don't understand this thinking. Why? Rodgers was by far the best player this year, and maybe had the best season since Brady's a couple years back.
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I figured Allen was a lock to get it. Not sure how I feel about Suggs getting it anyways, but over Allen, that's surprising.
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