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Old 02-06-2012, 01:45 PM    (permalink
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Yeah, I was pretty sober for this SB, so I was Xs and Os out all game. Thought it was a pretty fascinating game schematically, actually.
I caught myself paying more attention to what the Pats were doing schematically this game. I knew it would be a great chess match game for us X and O nerds, just bc of the coaching staffs involved.

I was very impressed with Bellichick's gameplan on defense. It was HOF worthy in my eyes had they won the game.
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Old 02-06-2012, 01:47 PM    (permalink
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Imagine today if Eli didn't cry and have his daddy get the bad man to trade him to the team he wanted to play for.

"Daddy, it's not fair, I WANNA PLAY FOR THE GIANTS!"

"OK, Eli, let me see what I can do. Just let me do all of the talking for you."

That behavior right there is one reason that I have with Eli. What a baby. Just like horse-face.
I heard the other day that Kellen Winslow Sr. told Archie after the trade happened, that he would have done the same thing.
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I heard the other day that Kellen Winslow Sr. told Archie after the trade happened, that he would have done the same thing.
He let his son get drafted by the Browns; dude ****** up.
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Old 02-06-2012, 01:51 PM    (permalink
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Hey, remember when Tiki Barber said that Eli couldnt lead a team...er something like that lol
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Old 02-06-2012, 02:22 PM    (permalink
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Imagine today if Eli didn't cry and have his daddy get the bad man to trade him to the team he wanted to play for.

"Daddy, it's not fair, I WANNA PLAY FOR THE GIANTS!"

"OK, Eli, let me see what I can do. Just let me do all of the talking for you."

That behavior right there is one reason that I have with Eli. What a baby. Just like horse-face.
*shrug* a guy using his leverage to get what he wants isn't being a baby, but whatevs.
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Old 02-06-2012, 02:25 PM    (permalink
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i think hes now may a good case for himself, but its super funny how 7-8 weeks ago Eli was right where hes always been around the top 10 in QBs, Coughlin was about to get fired, and the giants were about to miss the playoffs after falling right on their face for half the year. He has some heroics in him thats for sure...but i think its laughable how a few weeks goes by and now all of the sudden eli is on aaron rodgers level and coughlin is a HOF coach.
Eli was a top 6 QB before this playoff run and he's a top 6 QB after it.
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no it doesnt! people make the same argument in EVERY SPORT about EVERY PLAYER's HALL OF FAME CREDENTIALS!!! RINGS = IN according to some people. you are out of your mind.

your argument = playoffs = hof, regardless of a very pedestrian regular season career.

Justin Tuck is a hall of famer if Eli Manning is a hall of famer. 2 rings, a much better player at his position.

edit: eli plays the most important position in sports, and has done so at a very tier 2 level over his entire career. not HOF worthy. If Eli Manning doesn't win a 2nd superbowl, he isn't within a lightyear of this discussion. he wins it, and loonies start mentioning it because they had 1 too many.
You do have a point. If Eli never won two super bowls then most probably would not consider him elite. But he has won 2 and he beat one of the all time great qbs... twice when that qb had two record setting seasons. He's going to the hall of fame and when his career is over he will be a first ballot player.

Who was the last non elite qb to win the super bowl? Brad Johnson? That was a long time ago. Like when a defense mattered. Now it's all about the qb. Only elite qbs win in this new era.
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Eli was a top 6 QB before this playoff run and he's a top 6 QB after it.
Top 6 is kind of ambiguous. He is at the absolute highest the 5th best QB, and I'd put him at 6th as long as Peyton is included. Behind Brady, Brees, Rodgers and Roethlisberger. He won't have much competition from anyone behind him in terms of career accomplishments for a while though unless someone like Rivers pulls out an MVP and a Super Bowl.
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Top 6 is kind of ambiguous. He is at the absolute highest the 5th best QB, and I'd put him at 6th as long as Peyton is included. Behind Brady, Brees, Rodgers and Roethlisberger. He won't have much competition from anyone behind him in terms of career accomplishments for a while though unless someone like Rivers pulls out an MVP and a Super Bowl.
I'd put him ahead of Roethlisberger but that's because I've always preferred Eli's intelligence to Big Ben's neanderthal untackleability. Either way my point was that Eli was playing like an elite QB all season long and it's not, like the poster who I was responding to suggested, a case where he turned it on late in the season. No Eli was consistently great this year in all but the redskin and second eagles games, it's the defense that was MIA until the last couple weeks of the regular season, the OL that was inconsistent all season long, non-existent running game and breaking out receiving corps growing together.
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I heard the other day that Kellen Winslow Sr. told Archie after the trade happened, that he would have done the same thing.
KW Senior is a raging douchebag.
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*shrug* a guy using his leverage to get what he wants isn't being a baby, but whatevs.
He whined about it and had daddy do his talking for him.

It's one thing to use leverage, it's another to looking like a complete baby in doing so. *shrug*
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He whined about it and had daddy do his talking for him.

It's one thing to use leverage, it's another to looking like a complete baby in doing so. *shrug*
I also think it was more the other way around. Archie knew what it was like to play for **** organization all those years and he wanted better. I think it was more his advising of Eli what to do.
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