Offseason Discussion Thread - Page 14

ImBrotherCain · 02-10-2012, 11:35 AM

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Originally Posted by BeerBaron

I will be the loudest one when people starting laughing at the Steelers eventual collapse from all of this.

Pittsburgh fans are going to lose their ****. They better hope Crosby is healthy by then. The only thing that saved them the last time the Steelers missed the playoffs was that the Penguins did well.

I will be laughing just as hard don't worry.

BeerBaron · 02-10-2012, 12:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Goosemahn

From what I've read recently, he was fired for some behind-the-scenes things too. Clashed with FO and Tomlin at times, granted Ben way too much freedom when it came to run the offense, leaked more info to the media than he should've.

Haley will be the opposite of Arians when it comes to letting Ben control the offense, which is what I feel was the main reason Arians was fired. And by the way Ben has reacted to the change, there might be some substance to it.

Improvisation is one of Ben's biggest strengths though, and the team as it stands now isn't in great position to suddenly get back to smashmouth football like ownership and the fanbase wants.

You've got a lot of good young receivers and a QB who is best with improvisation and making plays out of nothing. I don't think Haley is a fit at all for that.

Larry · 02-10-2012, 12:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Goosemahn

Jason LaCanfora.

I hate him, nothing he reports ever comes true.

couldn't agree more

BradysKnee · 02-10-2012, 12:35 PM

Everybody hates that douchebag Laconfora. The guy constantly looks like he has something up his ass.

BeerBaron · 02-10-2012, 12:35 PM

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com...-contract-too/

Add Ike Taylor to the Steeler's restructure list. $3.28 million guaranteed pushed into the future.

That's now $15 million pushed forward between 3 guys.

They've basically got to win it all now because in a few years, they're going to be in early 2000s Titans level of cap hell.

And rebuilding on the fly is insanely difficult.

zachsaints52 · 02-10-2012, 12:38 PM

To be honest, player wise its smart to push forward guarenteed money. Especially if your single.

While with the team you get food, clothes, and other basic needs. You could easily live off the vet minimum. And if you get cut/later on, you have extra money to live with no matter what.

BeerBaron · 02-10-2012, 12:42 PM

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Originally Posted by zachsaints52

To be honest, player wise its smart to push forward guarenteed money. Especially if your single.

While with the team you get food, clothes, and other basic needs. You could easily live off the vet minimum. And if you get cut/later on, you have extra money to live with no matter what.

It's fantastic for the players, no doubt. Not even because of that, but because it takes non-guaranteed money and makes it guaranteed.

But it's going to be a pain in the ass for the team down the line when these cap hits do come up and there's not more restructuring to do and you can't cut the guy because you've already paid him in guaranteed money, so it won't save you anything.

zachsaints52 · 02-10-2012, 12:48 PM

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Originally Posted by BeerBaron

It's fantastic for the players, no doubt. Not even because of that, but because it takes non-guaranteed money and makes it guaranteed.

But it's going to be a pain in the ass for the team down the line when these cap hits do come up and there's not more restructuring to do and you can't cut the guy because you've already paid him in guaranteed money, so it won't save you anything.

Exactly 10 char.

brat316 · 02-10-2012, 12:56 PM

It'll just end up as dead money. But I thought after 2014 win they have a floor dead money won't count against them.

BeerBaron · 02-10-2012, 12:58 PM

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It'll just end up as dead money. But I thought after 2014 win they have a floor dead money won't count against them.

I don't think that's how it works. Actually, I think it's the opposite of that.

I recall one of the things in the CBA saying the the floor has to be actual money spent. Like, there were quite a few years where teams were paying well below the old floor in terms of what they were actually spending on the players that season because they had so much dead money.

bigbluedefense · 02-10-2012, 01:02 PM

It won't be as bad as you guys think. The Steelers are a great drafting team. They'll slowly build up their team through the draft and they won't miss a beat on the field.

Some teams seem to never be in rebuilding mode. The Steelers are one of those teams, and it's bc of their ability to draft.

They'll have a lot of dead money in 3 years, but the product on the field will be just fine.

Mr. Goosemahn · 02-10-2012, 01:02 PM

Won't there be like $15 million more in cap room next off-season due to a new NFL deal? I read somewhere it's expected to climb go $135 million or something like that. If that's the case, then all these restructures wont be as big an issue.

BeerBaron · 02-10-2012, 01:04 PM

I truly, truly hope you are wrong BBD because nothing would please more (alright, there are a few things like Packers sucking or Tim Tebow being out of football that would be better) than to see the Steelers suck for a while.

My friends and coworkers who are all Steeler fans could not comprehend being a lousy team. I'd love to see how they react. They're so ******* spoiled with success.

A decade of suck would sooooooo nice to watch them go through.

BeerBaron · 02-10-2012, 01:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Goosemahn

Won't there be like $15 million more in cap room next off-season due to a new NFL deal? I read somewhere it's expected to climb go $135 million or something like that. If that's the case, then all these restructures wont be as big an issue.

It's expected to be $121-125 million this year. I'm not sure it jumps another $10 million in just two years, especially since high rookie contracts are no longer absurd.

Shane P. Hallam · 02-10-2012, 01:06 PM

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I truly, truly hope you are wrong BBD because nothing would please more (alright, there are a few things like Packers sucking or Tim Tebow being out of football that would be better) than to see the Steelers suck for a while.

My friends and coworkers who are all Steeler fans could not comprehend being a lousy team. I'd love to see how they react. They're so ******* spoiled with success.

A decade of suck would sooooooo nice to watch them go through.

Yeah, I wouldn't bet on it. Maybe for a year or two, but not much longer. They have a better young core, especially offensively, than people think.

BeerBaron · 02-10-2012, 01:10 PM

You're probably right, but I'm going to continue hoping. Even one like 5-11 season would probably cut it. I just want to see them squirm.

brat316 · 02-10-2012, 01:13 PM

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Originally Posted by BeerBaron

I truly, truly hope you are wrong BBD because nothing would please more (alright, there are a few things like Packers sucking or Tim Tebow being out of football that would be better) than to see the Steelers suck for a while.

My friends and coworkers who are all Steeler fans could not comprehend being a lousy team. I'd love to see how they react. They're so ******* spoiled with success.

A decade of suck would sooooooo nice to watch them go through.

Remind them of the Tommy Maddox era - 2003

98-00.

Yeah I guess not have a real long time of losing, mediocre, or missing the playoffs probably has spoiled them steelers fans.

It is like how we are spoiled by such great Qbs.

bigbluedefense · 02-10-2012, 01:16 PM

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Originally Posted by BeerBaron

I truly, truly hope you are wrong BBD because nothing would please more (alright, there are a few things like Packers sucking or Tim Tebow being out of football that would be better) than to see the Steelers suck for a while.

My friends and coworkers who are all Steeler fans could not comprehend being a lousy team. I'd love to see how they react. They're so ******* spoiled with success.

A decade of suck would sooooooo nice to watch them go through.

I dont blame you for feeling that way, but I doubt it happens.

They are just too good at drafting for it to happen. Watch them retool that defense within a year or 2, and Ben is good enough that he can carry the offense on his back so they'll be just fine.

BeerBaron · 02-10-2012, 01:20 PM

Also, let's not forget that LeBeau won't be around forever.

Nalej · 02-10-2012, 01:23 PM

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Also, let's not forget that LeBeau won't be around forever.

Prove it with an equation

bigbluedefense · 02-10-2012, 01:26 PM

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Also, let's not forget that LeBeau won't be around forever.

They kept Butler. They'll be fine.

If TomTom lost Butler he'd be screwed, bc then he'd actually have to coach for a change instead of just chest bumping his players, but the Steelers somehow found a way to keep Butler.

BeerBaron · 02-10-2012, 01:27 PM

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Prove it with an equation

LeBeau is 74 and the average male American lifespan is 75.9. So, he'll either retire or die at some point here.

Math isn't my thing.

Giantsfan1080 · 02-10-2012, 01:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Nalej

Prove it with an equation

Johnson with the Eagles.

BeerBaron · 02-10-2012, 01:28 PM

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Originally Posted by bigbluedefense

They kept Butler. They'll be fine.

If TomTom lost Butler he'd be screwed, bc then he'd actually have to coach for a change instead of just chest bumping his players, but the Steelers somehow found a way to keep Butler.

It'd still be a transition to an unproven coach. Anything can happen.

Complex · 02-10-2012, 01:31 PM

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Originally Posted by BeerBaron

Also, let's not forget that LeBeau won't be around forever.

When LeBeau was in Cinci they were still good if I remember right.

BTW I think Tomtom is a good coach.