Offseason Discussion Thread

[Giantsfan1080]

I think he evaluates it the best and I'm sure he has something in place that contributes to their success. Eli is definitely an extension to that.

[NY+Giants=NYG]

Originally Posted by Giantsfan1080

I think he evaluates it the best and I'm sure he has something in place that contributes to their success. Eli is definitely an extension to that.

Yeah he may focus on it as he watches tape or at the very least is good at seeing if a player is good, has potential or stinks. But in terms of directly saying that because he was a WR coach means that he impacts directly the WR's success isn't accurate. Or at the very least we are not sure unless we ask him.

I know as a HC you have a lot of other duties to worry about. The HC during practice will go around to each station during INDY period to see the progress, but if people see Coughlin just hanging by the WRs coaching them up along with the WR coach, and think that's why they are good, is probably extreme and to an extent inaccurate.

I am just speaking from my observations from coaching, and how the coach has to balance his time during practice. He may give tips in passing, but he won't step on the WRs coach's toes, and he can't logistically spend too much time at one station because there are so much more positions to inspect.

Evaluating WRs on film is probably an indirect way he impacts that position. But we have been lucky to have a good WRs coach in Coach Sully. I think Coach Sully did a heck of a job for us. And like I said the system, specifically, the slot WR spot, and Eli also helped for the WRs success for our team.

[Grizzlegom]

Sounds like McKinnie restructured and is staying now, haha.

David Garrard to be cut from the Dolphins. I'm guessing they fill his roster spot with a CB.

[WCH]

Originally Posted by SuperPacker

If Cam Cameron was the Packers/Saints/Patriots play caller, he'd be one of the best OC's in the league.

I'm inclined to agree with this.

[VernonLawson89]

Just a little quick update on the new stadium :P

[K Train]

mendenhall showed explosion and long speed today in practice, apparently he dazzled a little bit

[Pat Sims 90]

The Bengals have placed Kyle Cook on IR/Recall list and signed TE Richard Quinn.

[Brodeur]

Originally Posted by K Train

mendenhall showed explosion and long speed today in practice, apparently he dazzled a little bit

When has Mendenhall ever showed explosion?

[niel89]

Originally Posted by Brodeur

When has Mendenhall ever showed explosion?

When Ray Lewis blew him up as a rookie.

[BeerBaron]

Originally Posted by niel89

When Ray Lewis blew him up as a rookie.

I'll forgive Steeler fans for misremembering Mendenhall's explosiveness. If any of us had to watch Isaac Redman trudge slowly forward for an entire preseason, anyone would look explosive by comparison.

[K Train]

Originally Posted by Brodeur

When has Mendenhall ever showed explosion?

hes 100x more explosive than redman

[RaiderNation]

Raiders looking like they will head into the season opener with just 3 WR's (2 rookies, not looking good for our passing attack week 1. Moore and Ford are both healing slowly, but Moore has the best chance to play if he practice tomorrow or Thursday.

[Ness]

Originally Posted by VernonLawson89

Just a little quick update on the new stadium :P

Looking good. The stadium is going to be so much easier to get to than Candlestick. Plus it will be in a much better neighborhood.

The hopes for this franchise getting a new stadium have been up since 1997. I still remember Mayor Willie Brown's little model of a new stadium that never saw the light of day.

[niel89]

I can't wait for the new stadium. Just getting in will be so much better and all the other public transportation in will help a ton.

[Raiderz4Life]

Originally Posted by RaiderNation

Raiders looking like they will head into the season opener with just 3 WR's (2 rookies, not looking good for our passing attack week 1. Moore and Ford are both healing slowly, but Moore has the best chance to play if he practice tomorrow or Thursday.

Why is it that none of our receivers can ever be healthy? Ford, Moore, Schillens, Murphy, etc, etc,.

[NY+Giants=NYG]

America's game was awesome! Tuck with the He-man cartoon reference! Best cartoon ever.

[TACKLE]

Originally Posted by NY+Giants=NYG

America's game was awesome! Tuck with the He-man cartoon reference! Best cartoon ever.

I'll check it out for sure but I find the current America's Game to not be nearly as good. Guys don't have the same perspective with no time to reflect and they can't always be open and upfront about people because they are still playing in the league, on that team.

[RaiderNation]

Originally Posted by raiderz4life

Why is it that none of our receivers can ever be healthy? Ford, Moore, Schillens, Murphy, etc, etc,.

Track athletes playing football...

[BaLLiN]

does anyone know if you can IR a player with the designation to return week 6 if they get injured during the season? Like if someone gets injured week 1 or 2, just IR them and then you can use that roster spot for another player

[NY+Giants=NYG]

Originally Posted by TACKLE

I'll check it out for sure but I find the current America's Game to not be nearly as good. Guys don't have the same perspective with no time to reflect and they can't always be open and upfront about people because they are still playing in the league, on that team.

Watch the Strahan one in the first super bowl. That one was a good one. He was very open. However, all the guys that would mouth off are off the team. No Shockey,Plax, or Tiki, Can you imagine if they were doing it? LOL.

[FUNBUNCHER]

Ramses Barden will be Eli's most dangerous pass catching threat this season.

[fenikz]

I think I've heard that one before

[NY+Giants=NYG]

He will have to dominate at Z. He'd have to beat out Hixon and Ruben R. I don't think he'd be in the slot. He also doesn't play special teams so he'd have to be that good to be active on game day or else he will be Mr. inactive.

[Cudders]

Originally Posted by njx9

see, but here's the issue i take with it. yes, you're probably going to be pretty low percentage if you try to have kellen moore running a vertical offense with those wrs. but, if your entire offense consists solely of slants, 3 yard outs and screen passes, you're going to be equally unsuccessful. if you don't ever send everyone on a 9 and throw it, you're destroying your own ability to execute the short-range offense. *this* is what (apologies for making the same point i've been making for 5 years) josh mcdaniels never understood in denver. the offense would send zero receivers past about 8 yards, and was predicated on te screens. then the talent was blamed because opposing defenses cheated up and destroyed those plays.

so yes, 'go deep' and 'open up the offense' may be trite and generally worthless. but i wouldn't say that necessarily makes them incorrect.

I agree. That’s the reason I was speaking in generalities.

The most disastrous thing an offense can become, other than turnover-prone, is predictable and one-dimensional. It kills the offensive flow and eases the defensive burden. When offenses don’t challenge all areas of the field, defenses become more compact and eliminate the other areas.

It’s clear that group of talent is best suited for a methodical, quick-hitting short spread that sought to take advantage of no-cover zones and soft spots in shells. But, without vertical stretch, horizontal spacing compresses. And the result is an offense that struggles to mount much in terms of offense. It’s difficult to dink-and-dunk a defense to death for this reason. The execution and patience needs to be perfect and most quarterbacks that are insulated in such a scheme aren’t capable of it.

That’s where utilization of talent comes in. Lance Moore runs a lot of slant routes and cornerbacks know that. Dial up a backside sluggo once in a while. Attempt to widen windows downfield with smart route combinations. Use stick routes to get safeties to cheat and then hope to slip a post past them. When talent isn’t going to get the job done itself, the design and game plan segmentation have to be even better. But if the offensive coordinator is doing these things and the talent still isn’t capitalizing on their opportunities, then it’s tough to have him shoulder the blame.

For example, Josh McDaniels was an unmitigated disaster in Denver, but I’ve seen him run some innovative offense, too. His problem was his inexplicable fascination with lesser quarterbacks. He had a quarterback that didn’t limit him and he gift-wrapped him and sent him to Chicago and accepted mediocre passers instead that did limit him. That’s one that I will never be able to explain. He butchered that roster in less than two seasons and will have to wait quite some time before interviewing for another head coaching gig because of it.

[bigbluedefense]

Originally Posted by LonghornsLegend

Weren't all you guys killing Gilbride for a long time? I'm pretty sure Eli was still playing at a high level when this was going on and people were calling him "kill drive". What your saying makes sense, but coordinators do have a big effect.


Unless you don't have an issue with people like Jason Garrett who when we are having the best drive of the game and marching all the way down field, we get to the 30, and he pulls out the wildcat, take Romo off the field, lose 17 yards, and thus all points on that drive. Thats coordinators, not players.

I'm still not the biggest Gilbride fan. But I don't hate him anymore either. His offense is extremely complicated and it's difficult finding receivers for it. And when you do, they need a good 3 years to master it.

But at it's peak, it's basically unstoppable. Bc there is an answer for every defense. It's just so hard to pull off though. Thats why you expect high int numbers in this system, youre going to have a lot of miscommunication.

That and his refusal to go no huddle more often is frustrating. Eli is always at his best in the no huddle.

One thing we overlooked during the early years was how having dumb receivers hurt Eli's early development. That, plus I think most of us didn't truly understand this offense and how it works until recently.

I leaned alot about offensive football since 07. NYG (the poster) taught us alot.