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Supposedly Jackson isn't staying in SD.

Which means the Chargers went from arguably the most talented team in the league from 06-09, to Phillip Rivers and a bunch of scrubs in 2012.

The AFC West is sooo bad...
I think it's because Tebow got me to start praying that he's able to keep doing what he's done. Now the Chargers are going to fall apart, the Raiders will keep self-imploding and the Chiefs will keep Cassel as their QB...
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Probably. But he'll get one more year from this team and I honestly wouldn't be shocked if he actually did well if he's healthy when it's his turn to see the field.

Laurent Robinson is the guy I'd most like to bring in, he's going to get hurt at somepoint, but he'd do great to start the season while we groom Jernigan a little more.
He deserves preseason and nothing more. If he can't show us something in the preseason, then he needs to get cut. There's absolutely no point of keeping a WR as your 4th/5th guy when he's constantly hurt, never sees the goalline, and can't play special teams. He provides nothing to the team in that situation.
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He deserves preseason and nothing more. If he can't show us something in the preseason, then he needs to get cut. There's absolutely no point of keeping a WR as your 4th/5th guy when he's constantly hurt, never sees the goalline, and can't play special teams. He provides nothing to the team in that situation.
Ramses Barden not having a huge TC? BBD have you just erased all memory of everything that happened before we won the Superbowl? Ramses Barden is great at two things, riding the bike, and dominating training camp when he's not a rookie.
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Ramses Barden not having a huge TC? BBD have you just erased all memory of everything that happened before we won the Superbowl? Ramses Barden is great at two things, riding the bike, and dominating training camp when he's not a rookie.
I meant preseason games. Not just practice in shorts.
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i disagree. if it weren't for tebow's near complete inability to convert a third down, well, ever, i think our d's numbers look rather dramatically different. nearly without fail, the only reason we were in a game for tebow to 'win' was because our defense wasn't breaking and because colquitt was making up for our offensive ineptitude. for instance, after our bye week, we held the opposing team under 20 half the time. we scored more than 20 3 times. in two out of the three games we gave up over 40 during that span, tebow was utterly and completely atrocious in 2 of them. the third was against the eventual afc champion. and all of this was with a defense that had one viable starter in the secondary, one decent linebacker, and journeymen at DT. a great defense? no. a pretty good one? absolutely.
I really like some of those pieces you guys have.

Ayers-Bunkley-???-Doom
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isn't a bad start on the front 7. Not sure if Mays is the guy to make it all work from the middle, but if you guys add a stud DT and fix that secondary he might be good enough.
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I meant preseason games. Not just practice in shorts.
But he'll be on the PUP list by then. How can he play in the preseason games if he's hurt?

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i disagree. if it weren't for tebow's near complete inability to convert a third down, well, ever, i think our d's numbers look rather dramatically different. nearly without fail, the only reason we were in a game for tebow to 'win' was because our defense wasn't breaking and because colquitt was making up for our offensive ineptitude. for instance, after our bye week, we held the opposing team under 20 half the time. we scored more than 20 3 times. in two out of the three games we gave up over 40 during that span, tebow was utterly and completely atrocious in 2 of them. the third was against the eventual afc champion. and all of this was with a defense that had one viable starter in the secondary, one decent linebacker, and journeymen at DT. a great defense? no. a pretty good one? absolutely.
I think that outside of Von Miller, Denver's defense last year was just the conglomeration of a lot of mediocre players overachieving.

Dumervil wasn't much of a factor...Joe Mays? Marcus Thomas? Brodrick Bunkley? Meh, meh and meh. All free agents to boot. Woodyard? Also meh. Also a free agent. Robert Ayers? Worse than meh. Rafael Bush? Cassius Vaughn? Who?

Champ Bailey is also 33 so I give him another year or two at most.

The defense seriously overachieved for a stretch. Not to mention that during that stretch of wins, they faced the QBing awesomeness of, in order, Carson Palmer, Matt Cassel, Mark Sanchez, Philip Rivers having a ****** year, Christian Ponder and Caleb Hanie.

And Tom Brady, the one healthy good QB you faced, just ****** you up. Like, badly. Twice.

Although if you manage to sign Mario Williams, Curtis Lofton and like Brandon Carr, we can certainly talk more about it.
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ty warren would fill in the other DT if he's ever healthy again. and i hate dj williams. he's never been the same since mike shanahan moved him out of WLB for ******* ian homeless-guy's-version-of-ernie-sims gold.

ideally, nate irving is ready to step in next year. joe mays is fine in a relief role, but he's just not good enough to be more than an occasional player.
Totally forgot you guys have Irving. Hell, if you guys can find a stud DT so that you're not depending on Ty Warren's health, That would be a very good front 7 that just need another rotational DE to keep guys fresh and make sure you never loss your ability to rush the passer. It would be cool if you guys and the Bills could fuse your defenses. Dareus-Kyle Williams with those edge guys would be amazing...so yeah, that Denver defense, people think it's good because it did a good job considering how much it was on the field and has some very nice pieces to build a great D out of.
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Lawrence Timmons has restructured his deal today, lowering his base salary to $700,000 and moving a signing bonus from this year to equal parts in the remaining year in his contract.

The move saves $5.14 million, meaning the Steelers have saved a little over $15 million during the past three days, and are only $5 million away from being under the cap.

They still need to shed more cap room to resign players and draft picks, but this is going better than expected. Assuming we need to shed $25 million more to keep Wallace ($5 more to be under, $5 for rookies, $15 for our FAs), here's what could happen:

Release OG Chris Kemoeatu - save $3.577 million
Release ILB Larry Foote - save $3.00 million

--- Now under the cap

Release Jonathan Scott - save $2.2 million
Release Will Allen - save $1.28 million
Restructure Casey Hampton - save $3.89 million
Restructure Hines Ward - save $3 million

That's $17 million so far. Roethlisberger will probably also get a restructure, maybe Polamalu or Harrison too.
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I think that outside of Von Miller, Denver's defense last year was just the conglomeration of a lot of mediocre players overachieving.

Dumervil wasn't much of a factor...Joe Mays? Marcus Thomas? Brodrick Bunkley? Meh, meh and meh. All free agents to boot. Woodyard? Also meh. Also a free agent. Robert Ayers? Worse than meh. Rafael Bush? Cassius Vaughn? Who?

Champ Bailey is also 33 so I give him another year or two at most.

The defense seriously overachieved for a stretch. Not to mention that during that stretch of wins, they faced the QBing awesomeness of, in order, Carson Palmer, Matt Cassel, Mark Sanchez, Philip Rivers having a ****** year, Christian Ponder and Caleb Hanie.

And Tom Brady, the one healthy good QB you faced, just ****** you up. Like, badly. Twice.

Although if you manage to sign Mario Williams, Curtis Lofton and like Brandon Carr, we can certainly talk more about it.
Bunkley was a great run stuffer for the eagles and exactly the type of guy they needed in the middle of their defense to make the wide-9 with those LBs anything less than terrible.

I really think that a stud DT makes that a strong front 7 that could be a great defense if you figured out a way to make the secondary as good. It's not like there's any reason for them to spend picks or money on offensive players this year.
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Lawrence Timmons has restructured his deal today, lowering his base salary to $700,000 and moving a signing bonus from this year to equal parts in the remaining year in his contract.

The move saves $5.14 million, meaning the Steelers have saved a little over $15 million during the past three days, and are only $5 million away from being under the cap.

They still need to shed more cap room to resign players and draft picks, but this is going better than expected. Assuming we need to shed $25 million more to keep Wallace ($5 more to be under, $5 for rookies, $15 for our FAs), here's what could happen:

Release OG Chris Kemoeatu - save $3.577 million
Release ILB Larry Foote - save $3.00 million

--- Now under the cap

Release Jonathan Scott - save $2.2 million
Release Will Allen - save $1.28 million
Restructure Casey Hampton - save $3.89 million
Restructure Hines Ward - save $3 million

That's $17 million so far. Roethlisberger will probably also get a restructure, maybe Polamalu or Harrison too.
I thought Hampton was at 8?
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I thought Hampton was at 8?
His total cap charge is, but his base salary is only about half of that, and from what I understand, the other 4 is guaranteed for this year.
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ty warren would fill in the other DT if he's ever healthy again. and i hate dj williams. he's never been the same since mike shanahan moved him out of WLB for ******* ian homeless-guy's-version-of-ernie-sims gold.

ideally, nate irving is ready to step in next year. joe mays is fine in a relief role, but he's just not good enough to be more than an occasional player.

Is Woodyard any good? I've always been a fan and has looked solid when I've seen him.
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Lawrence Timmons has restructured his deal today, lowering his base salary to $700,000 and moving a signing bonus from this year to equal parts in the remaining year in his contract.

The move saves $5.14 million, meaning the Steelers have saved a little over $15 million during the past three days, and are only $5 million away from being under the cap.

They still need to shed more cap room to resign players and draft picks, but this is going better than expected. Assuming we need to shed $25 million more to keep Wallace ($5 more to be under, $5 for rookies, $15 for our FAs), here's what could happen:

Release OG Chris Kemoeatu - save $3.577 million
Release ILB Larry Foote - save $3.00 million

--- Now under the cap

Release Jonathan Scott - save $2.2 million
Release Will Allen - save $1.28 million
Restructure Casey Hampton - save $3.89 million
Restructure Hines Ward - save $3 million

That's $17 million so far. Roethlisberger will probably also get a restructure, maybe Polamalu or Harrison too.
You're assuming those guys will restructure.
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Ward will. Hampton just cut him yo.
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You're assuming those guys will restructure.
It's either that or they get cut. If they get cut we get even more cap room. Hines was the #5 receiver, it would be more of a sentimental loss than an actual football loss. Hampton can still play, but he's old with bad knees.

I don't think either would get a large contract on another team, being 35, declining, and in the case of Hampton, injured.
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That post prior was by far the most optimistic post I've seen from NJX on the Broncos in idk how long.
I've been saying this for a little while now, but Tim Tebow broke logic. We now live in a world of pure chaos where anything can happen. JBCX predicted the Giants making the superbowl, NJX gets positive on the broncos and Jeremy Lin makes Linning a thing.
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You're assuming those guys will restructure.
Guys are always willing to restructure. The salary becomes signing bonus/guaranteed money.

A restructuring is not a paycut.
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How was he in PS? Any flashes? I'm surprised he didn't play at all for you guys.
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