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Old 02-09-2012, 10:37 PM    (permalink
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1. Peyton
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I only got to see Elway's last 2 Super Bowls but for me it's:

1. Peyton
2. Elway
3. Eli

If I saw Elway carry some of those earlier Broncos teams like I've read about then I might have him #1.
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Didn't become a fan until 96, so I'll go with Peyton Manning. He had the smarts, efficiency and great intangibles and is undoubtedly one of the greatest quarterbacks of all time, despite a less than stellar postseason track record. Of course, when he's hurt, the Colts turn into the worst team in the league.
Little brother Eli will probably go down as one of the greatest giant-killers (not a pun off the team he played for) as well as road warriors in the postseason. Few quarterbacks have done what he has on the road and in the clutch.
As for Troy Aikman, his stats don't show how he played. He was one of the best leaders for that Cowboy team full of characters. He was also extremely efficient and accurate. He made his living throwing the ball to Michael Irvin, Alvin Harper and Jay Novacek in the 1st half and handing the ball to Emmitt Smith in the 2nd half, while his defense took care of their business.
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Aikman, as much as it pains me to say.
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Aikman, as much as it pains me to say.
Why is it a pain to say when it's not true? Aikman was not close to the QB Peyton is/was.
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In my lifetime it's Manning, as much as I want to pick Pace :)
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Right now I shall go with Troy Aikman since he is the only one with a star next to his name. But there are more (2 Mannings and Pace specifically) that will soon have the stars next to their name.
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Undoubtedly Peyton. Maybe someone surpasses him in the future, but at the moment, Peyton is one of the best to ever play the game.
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If not for position bias, Bruce Smith has a legitimate argument.

Stayed with the team he was drafted by for fifteen seasons and averaged over eleven sacks per season. Also assisted in getting them to four super bowls.

Also had a nine-sack season with the Redkins at age 38.
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I think Elway/Peyton is interchangeable at 1, but Aikman is not getting enough love.

Yes, he played on some dominant teams, and yes, he never put up dominant statistics, but the guy was never asked to throw it 40 times. That's not his fault, that's good football.

I don't want my qb throwing for 40 TDs a season, I want a balanced offense. Aikman had plenty of signature wins, 3 rings, arguably the most accurate arm the league has ever seen, and he did it in pressure moments too.

Aikman was legit. If he played in today's era I think his perception would be different, bc he'd get the opportunity to throw it more.
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I think Elway/Peyton is interchangeable at 1, but Aikman is not getting enough love.

Yes, he played on some dominant teams, and yes, he never put up dominant statistics, but the guy was never asked to throw it 40 times. That's not his fault, that's good football.

I don't want my qb throwing for 40 TDs a season, I want a balanced offense. Aikman had plenty of signature wins, 3 rings, arguably the most accurate arm the league has ever seen, and he did it in pressure moments too.

Aikman was legit. If he played in today's era I think his perception would be different, bc he'd get the opportunity to throw it more.
You act like he played in the 60s. Yes it was harder to throw in the 90s than it is today, but it's not like it was a night and day difference. He was on a dominating offense,with a top ten RB of all time, a top twenty or so receiver ever, and an amazing offensive line along with a damn good defense. Aikman isn't close to Peyton because he never had to do the same things Peyton does, and his stats are incredibly unimpressive. I don't care about the balance thing...he threw for 20 TDs one time, never threw for 3500 yards, averaged 8 yards per attempt once, had a 2:1 TD to INT ratio three times (never a 3:1), and only had to lead 21 game winning drives in his career in the regular season.

I'm not denying he was a great QB, but he gets overappreciated by the general populace just like Namath and Bradshaw. He was a very good QB who benefited hugely by playing on some amazing teams. Peyton, Elway, Bruce Smith, Pace, and even Eli are/were more important to their teams than he ever was. Aikman isn't a top twenty QB of all time (Peyton and Elway are probably top 5).
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You act like he played in the 60s. Yes it was harder to throw in the 90s than it is today, but it's not like it was a night and day difference. He was on a dominating offense,with a top ten RB of all time, a top twenty or so receiver ever, and an amazing offensive line along with a damn good defense. Aikman isn't close to Peyton because he never had to do the same things Peyton does, and his stats are incredibly unimpressive. I don't care about the balance thing...he threw for 20 TDs one time, never threw for 3500 yards, averaged 8 yards per attempt once, had a 2:1 TD to INT ratio three times (never a 3:1), and only had to lead 21 game winning drives in his career in the regular season.

I'm not denying he was a great QB, but he gets overappreciated by the general populace just like Namath and Bradshaw. He was a very good QB who benefited hugely by playing on some amazing teams. Peyton, Elway, Bruce Smith, Pace, and even Eli are/were more important to their teams than he ever was. Aikman isn't a top twenty QB of all time (Peyton and Elway are probably top 5).
I never said he was better than Peyton. But I think it's unfair to Aikman to have Eli ranked ahead of him right here right now. Aikman was a damn good quarterback.
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I think I'm going with Elway. For now. Gotta think about this. It's either Elway or Peyton.
Well i'm going with Elway. Besides the little asterisk beside it that he was picked by the Colts i think he had the best career and put his stamp on the NFL more than any other player. Closely followed by Peyton.
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meh, aikman will always come off worse, for almost always playing with a highly talented roster. the years he didn't? the cowboys best record was 8-8, and they were 24-43 overall (and the 8-8 year they still had a top 5 defense, and a top 2 in yardage the one year they were 6-10). i certainly don't think stats tell the whole story, but it's hard to say that a guy who never did a lot with a little, and generally seemed to play to the level of talent surrounding him was one of the best qbs ever (which is sort of what you're doing if you're mentioning him with elway and peyton).
No no noooooooo. I'm not saying he's on Peyton or Elway's level. I said that those 2 are clearly #1 on this list.

The point I was trying to make is, some people have Eli ahead of Aikman on this list. I'm probably one of the 3 biggest Eli homers on this forum, but do you think that's fair?

Right here right now, do you consider Eli a better #1 draft pick than Aikman? I don't see how we can make that leap just yet.

Eli's career is far from over and maybe later on we can make that leap, but I don't see how we can say that right here right now. That's my point I'm trying to make.

I'm not debating the former at all. Peyton and Elway are lightyears ahead of Aikman. But let's not sit here and say Aikman was some scrub that was there for the ride in the mid 90s. He was a damn good quarterback.
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Either Manning. Substitute Rodgers for Smith in that draft and we'd have amore interesting topic years from now.
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He was, but he was never anything extraordinary that was able to carry a team when he needed to. For someone I consider to be in the same area as him in another sport, I'd compare him to Josh Beckett (except Josh is a tad bit better in the playoffs).
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Stayed with the team he was drafted by for fifteen seasons and averaged over eleven sacks per season. Also assisted in getting them to four super bowls.

Also had a nine-sack season with the Redkins at age 38.
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Peyton Manning by far.
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I was born in 90, so Peyton Manning. Really only between him and Elway.

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If not for position bias, Bruce Smith has a legitimate argument.

Stayed with the team he was drafted by for fifteen seasons and averaged over eleven sacks per season. Also assisted in getting them to four super bowls.

Also had a nine-sack season with the Redkins at age 38.
Thank you.... he deserves some mention here, but A) the position thing, B) Scott Norwood fukced his legacy, C) he was before most of our time here

He was Reggie White, minus the one-armed throws, and the preaching. And the one ring which the **** kicker blew. Where was Adam Vinitiri at that time?
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Your not that old and he is the best. The perfect QB coming out to be honest. Zero Flaws.
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Thank you.... he deserves some mention here, but A) the position thing, B) Scott Norwood fukced his legacy, C) he was before most of our time here

He was Reggie White, minus the one-armed throws, and the preaching. And the one ring which the **** kicker blew. Where was Adam Vinitiri at that time?
That was an insanely difficult kick for Norwood, stop ******* blaming him. Vinatieri missed a field goal in the Super Bowl in a damn dome against the Panthers, but nobody shits on him.
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That was an insanely difficult kick for Norwood, stop ******* blaming him. Vinatieri missed a field goal in the Super Bowl in a damn dome against the Panthers, but nobody shits on him.
Vinatieri made one from about the same distance, IN SNOW, in the tuck-game to tie Oakland.

And I think all 3 of AV's game-winners were 40-something.

Norwood's wasn't easy, but Bruce Smith, Jim Kelly, Thurman Thomas, Andre Reed's legacies are much tainted because their kicker missed, whereas Brady's is the opposite because his made em.

Now, back to the topic at hand.

No votes for Jake Long?
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