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Old 02-17-2012, 12:59 AM    (permalink
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So I was watching the headlines at NFL.com and theres a video called "A little change in their pocket" where they talk about 8 teams that are 40+ mill under the salary cap and their options in free agency. The teams are: the Bengals, Broncos, Jaguars, Chiefs, 49ers, Seahawks, Bucs and Redskins.

There are 3 teams that just went to the playoffs (Bengals, Broncos and 49ers), 2 good teams that need a QB to take the next step (Seahawks and Chiefs) and 3 terrible, talentless teams (Redskins, Bucs and Jaguars).

In my opinion the first 5 teams should invest the money in extensions for their own players, get some continuity, and maybe get some 2nd tier guys for depth. The other 3 teams need to find a way to improve the talent level on the roster, maybe not go crazy like the Eagles did last year or as the Redskins have in recent years, but they really need some quality starters on their teams.

So I have two questions for you guys: Are all of those teams really 40+ mill under the salary cap? And if they are, what's the best way for them to spende the money?
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The Bengals are 60+ under salary cap.

The Best way for them to spend their money is add more talent to Secondary, Interior OL, and Defense Line.
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The Chiefs are 63 million under the cap right now, but they need to sign Dwayne Bowe and Brandon Carr to long term deals.

We should have a little money to throw around.. to Nicks or Grubbs, hopefully!
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Let me go ahead and say it: Peyton Manning.
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I hate all of your teams right now. Lions are dropping $21 million on just Calvin.
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I hate all of your teams right now. Lions are dropping $21 million on just Calvin.
I'd happily pay that man $21 million. If you can't pay him I'm sure BB would. :)
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yea without Palmer and Chad on this team, we're like 60 million under the cap. I know Mike Brown, statistically speaking doesn't spend much in FA, but in the last few years he dropped some money on Odom, Bryant and T.O.

I'm not sure what the plan is this year, but I wouldn't be surprised to see him try receiver again.
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yea without Palmer and Chad on this team, we're like 60 million under the cap. I know Mike Brown, statistically speaking doesn't spend much in FA, but in the last few years he dropped some money on Odom, Bryant and T.O.

I'm not sure what the plan is this year, but I wouldn't be surprised to see him try receiver again.
The Bengals should give up one of their first rounders if the Texans decide to tender him!
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The 49ers have $103.737 million devoted to the 2012 salary cap. But the approximate $12.6 million that went unused in 2011 will be applied to their 2012 cap. (Other sources have cited a higher number that does not reflect incentives earned in 2011.)

So, in essence, the 49ers have $91.3 devoted to the to-be-determined salary cap. Last year, the league-wide cap was $120.375 million.
It's not $40mm, but pretty close.
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Tender who? If your talking about Mario Williams he is a UFA which means there is no tendering him.
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The Chiefs are 63 million under the cap right now, but they need to sign Dwayne Bowe and Brandon Carr to long term deals.

We should have a little money to throw around.. to Nicks or Grubbs, hopefully!
Colts are going after Grubbs with the Chuck Pagano ties to him.
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yea without Palmer and Chad on this team, we're like 60 million under the cap. I know Mike Brown, statistically speaking doesn't spend much in FA, but in the last few years he dropped some money on Odom, Bryant and T.O.

I'm not sure what the plan is this year, but I wouldn't be surprised to see him try receiver again.
It was 2million dollars for T.O.
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If the Texans dont franchise Foster (which would be a huge mistake in my opinion), giving up a late first round draft pick for him would be a steal for the Bengals. They have the franchise QB and WR. Add Foster, another WR via FA and then rebuild the secondary and OL in the draft and bam, the Bengals will have a young core for a long time to come.

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Anyway, as for my beloved 49ers, im just hoping that they can re-sign Smith, Brooks and Goldson before FA starts. In FA, im hoping for a WR who'll automatically be our number one receiver as soon as he signs the contract.

I have the receivers in order of who im hoping for in three categories.

26 years old and younger category, 5 year contract offer
1) DeSean Jackson (PHI, 25/Dec)
2) Mike Wallace (PIT/RFA, 26 in Aug)
3) Steve Johnson (BUF, 26 in July)
4) Pierre Garcon (IND, 26 in Aug)
5) Mario Manningham (NYG, 26 in May)

27 to 29 years old category, 3 year contract offer
1) Dwayne Bowe (KC, 28 in Sept)
2) Vincent Jackson (SD, 29/Jan)
3) Marques Colston (NO, 29 in June)
4) Laurent Robinson (DAL, 27 in May)
5) Robert Meachem (NO, 28 in Sept)

Overall category
1) DeSean Jackson
2) Mike Wallace
3) Steve Johnson
4) Dwayne Bowe
5) Vincent Jackson
6) Marques Colston
7) Pierre Garcon
8) Laurent Robinson
9) Mario Manningham
10) Robert Meachem

The overall category is the order of the player im hoping for. Dont really care about Robinson, Manningham and Meachem. Garcon is better than Crabtree but as of right now, not a guy who can come in and be our number one receiver. The top six overall players would be our number one receiver as soon as he signs the contract.

I'm expecting DeSean, Wallace, Johnson, Bowe and possibly Colston (depending on what happens with Brees and Nicks) to get franchised. Wallace is an RFA but if he doesnt get franchised and DeSean does, im hoping for Wallace the most because he's exactly what the 49ers need - a speed receiver on the outside who will require a CB and a safety in coverage. As an RFA, the trade compensation would be a first round draft pick and since the 49ers are drafting 30th, I would have no problem with seeing the team trade away that pick for Wallace.

The main top tier receiver that I can see being available in the open market will be Vincent Jackson and while I wouldnt mind him at all, I wouldnt give him more than a three year contract and dont really see it happening because if he's the only top tier receiver available, his contract will be nuts and I would then stay away.

Amazingly, trading away the 30th pick for Wallace may be the best and only choice depending on who gets franchised. If Wallace gets franchised, then well, no top teir WR for the 49ers.

If that happens, I go after OG Nicks or Grubbs to start at RG and solidify the young OL.
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Desean over Wallace? How do you figure that one?
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Half those WR's are not going to settle for a 3 year deal.
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Haha yeah. I was thinking the same thing. Especially Bowe. And as good as San Fran was this year, I'm not sure it is an attractive place that players are dying to go to. Especially offensive players.
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Haha yeah. I was thinking the same thing. Especially Bowe. And as good as San Fran was this year, I'm not sure it is an attractive place that players are dying to go to. Especially offensive players.
Money talks.
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Thats my point. The 49ers aren't at the point where they can maybe get someone on a 4 year deal where they would normally take a 5 year deal. The idea that Bowe would take 3 is laughable.
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Arian Foster I imagine
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I would pay the player more money up front for a shorter deal. The money in the later years would be base salaries so if the time comes to where the team has to release that player, it will be a minimal cap penalty if that. Also, Bowe, Jackson, etc. would want a long term deal but if you're getting a 3 year/$30m deal with a lot of money of front, they'll take it over a long term deal with huge backloaded salaries because those backloaded salaries will never be seen (ala CB Nate Clements among many others).

If a player like Bowe, Vincent Jackson, Colston, etc. wouldnt accept a three year deal, the team could always offer him a five year deal and backload the huge base salaries in the 4th and 5th years of the contract while giving him a huge signing bonus up front and small base salary for 2012.

And as to why I have DeSean Jackson over Wallace, its only because DeSean is scheduled to be an UFA and wouldnt require any draft pick compensation. If he gets franchised, then Wallace becomes my number one target. And honestly, I prefer Wallace over DeSean but I think that it would be easier to sign DeSean if he's not franchised so while im playing favorites, im also trying to be somewhat realistic too. LOL. :)

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