Official 2012 NFL Combine Thread - Page 19

PossibleCabbage · 02-25-2012, 03:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Babylon

Some of those you can write off as being less than important but not sure how you get around 18 reps.

You can excuse most of those individually, but it's hard to excuse the entire package of being underwhelming (at best) in every single category. The cone is especially troubling since there are NTs in the NFL who did better than a 7.94, and those guys aren't expected to move in space.

I have a hard time defending Adams in the top 20, now. I have to think he's an RT now.

PossibleCabbage · 02-25-2012, 03:19 PM

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Originally Posted by rockio42

Long ass mother ******* arms. That's how.

This is a truly bizarre world where 33.25" arms are "too short" and 34.0" arms are "long ass mother ******* arms."

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scottyboy · 02-25-2012, 03:20 PM

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Originally Posted by vidae

But what about Sanu?!

why can't we have both?

Nicks-Cruz-Sanu-Broyles.

who needs a tight end? puts an end to that debate quickly

Sloopy · 02-25-2012, 03:21 PM

Richardson not participating in the bench leaves me disappoint :( I thought he would put up an eye popping #

Jeffery not lifting or running only reaffirms to me that his combine weight is only temporary.

Guy didn't lose it the right way and I wouldn't be surprised if his weight goes right back up after the combine.

Babylon · 02-25-2012, 03:30 PM

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Originally Posted by TACKLE

People found a way to ignore Nate Solder's 17 reps last year and Adams is a superior player to him.

Good point on ignoring Solders reps but disagree that Adams is a better prospect.

Babylon · 02-25-2012, 03:33 PM

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Originally Posted by PossibleCabbage

You can excuse most of those individually, but it's hard to excuse the entire package of being underwhelming (at best) in every single category. The cone is especially troubling since there are NTs in the NFL who did better than a 7.94, and those guys aren't expected to move in space.

I have a hard time defending Adams in the top 20, now. I have to think he's an RT now.

Probably bumps Jonathon Martin up if he wasnt already. I was never that enthralled with Adams that high anyways.

Mix · 02-25-2012, 03:40 PM

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Originally Posted by TACKLE

People found a way to ignore Nate Solder's 17 reps last year and Adams is a superior player to him.

Solder did 21 reps.

PossibleCabbage · 02-25-2012, 03:42 PM

Derek Sherrod did 23 reps with 35.875" arms last year, and people were giving him crap for lack of upper body strength. I don't think Adams should get a pass with 5 fewer reps and 1.875" shorter arms.

PossibleCabbage · 02-25-2012, 03:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Babylon

Probably bumps Jonathon Martin up if he wasnt already. I was never that enthralled with Adams that high anyways.

I could see Adams as the fifth OT on some people's boards now, behind Kalil, Reiff, Martin, and Glenn.

At least Glenn I'm confident that if he can't play RT, he'll be a darn good OG.

TACKLE · 02-25-2012, 03:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Mix

Solder did 21 reps.

My mistake. I stand corrected.

Sloopy · 02-25-2012, 03:45 PM

I think people are putting WAY to much stock into the combine for Adams. He did well enough and still looked good at the senior bowl

PossibleCabbage · 02-25-2012, 03:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Sloopy

I think people are putting WAY to much stock into the combine for Adams. He did well enough and still looked good at the senior bowl

I think his combine performance is much more consistent with his actual game performance than his senior bowl effort was. The senior bowl just gave people hope that this guy with amazing tools was finally putting it all together, but the combine has suggested that quite possibly we had just overrated his tools.

Caulibflower · 02-25-2012, 03:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Sloopy

Richardson not participating in the bench leaves me disappoint :( I thought he would put up an eye popping #

Jeffery not lifting or running only reaffirms to me that his combine weight is only temporary.

Guy didn't lose it the right way and I wouldn't be surprised if his weight goes right back up after the combine.

If he's not working out in those drills, I'm taking that weight with a block of salt.

Go_Eagles77 · 02-25-2012, 03:53 PM

Travis Lewis is 253 according to Scott. Wow.

Sloopy · 02-25-2012, 03:57 PM

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Originally Posted by PossibleCabbage

I think his combine performance is much more consistent with his actual game performance than his senior bowl effort was. The senior bowl just gave people hope that this guy with amazing tools was finally putting it all together, but the combine has suggested that quite possibly we had just overrated his tools.

So can the same be said about Konz?

Konz only had 18 reps and then didn't participate in anything else.

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Originally Posted by Caulibflower

If he's not working out in those drills, I'm taking that weight with a block of salt.

My sentiments exactly.

keylime_5 · 02-25-2012, 04:01 PM

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Originally Posted by PossibleCabbage

I could see Adams as the fifth OT on some people's boards now, behind Kalil, Reiff, Martin, and Glenn.

At least Glenn I'm confident that if he can't play RT, he'll be a darn good OG.

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Originally Posted by PossibleCabbage

You can excuse most of those individually, but it's hard to excuse the entire package of being underwhelming (at best) in every single category. The cone is especially troubling since there are NTs in the NFL who did better than a 7.94, and those guys aren't expected to move in space.

I have a hard time defending Adams in the top 20, now. I have to think he's an RT now.

I think your are putting too much stock into workout numbers. His numbers were slightly below average. Disappointing yes, but not deal breaking. Anthony Davis and Andre Smith are two examples of OTs who had terrible workouts and still were drafted just as high as they were projected to be in the beginning.

Adams proved in drills and at the senior bowl that he has the size and foot quickness to be a top 15 pick and play left tackle in the NFL. Those are the important parts of workouts for OL. Combined with the gametape his stock should be a steady top 15 pick still.

No way someone takes Glenn over Adams to play tackle. Adams was superior in the OT drills, shuttle, 3 cone, vertical, and broad jumps. Glenn might play RT, but is a better fit at guard. That didn't change b/c of his straight line speed and size/strength being so good.

Go_Eagles77 · 02-25-2012, 04:05 PM

Did Jonathan Martin not participate or something? I haven't seen him at all on NFL network.

Babylon · 02-25-2012, 04:06 PM

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Supply and demand is probably going to get Adams drated in the top 20 but that doesnt mean some of what we're seeing isnt a concern. I wouldn't be all that excited if my team took him.

Sloopy · 02-25-2012, 04:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Babylon

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Supply and demand is probably going to get Adams drated in the top 20 but that doesnt mean some of what we're seeing isnt a concern. I wouldn't be all that excited if my team took him.

The fact is that most of his workout #s are average for OTs.

His game tape, senior bowl and drills were all pretty good.

Don't forget that you should never fall in love with someone at the combine, nor should you shy off a guy because of some useless work out #s

keylime_5 · 02-25-2012, 04:10 PM

If you like to get stuck on numbers maybe, but seeing his tape and his good senior bowl performance I would love to have him at worst as a stud right tackle if not a left tackle. I think he'll be an average left tackle at worst, an above average right tackle at worst.

Babylon · 02-25-2012, 04:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Sloopy

The fact is that most of his workout #s are average for OTs.

His game tape, senior bowl and drills were all pretty good.

Don't forget that you should never fall in love with someone at the combine, nor should you shy off a guy because of some useless work out #s

Actually except for the vertical most of workout numbers are below average.

I understand you're a Buckeye fan but dont see how anyone can sugarcoat his combine.

coordinator0 · 02-25-2012, 04:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Go_Eagles77

Did Jonathan Martin not participate or something? I haven't seen him at all on NFL network.

I think he got food poisoning or something.

Sloopy · 02-25-2012, 04:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Babylon

Actually except for the vertical most of workout numbers are below average.

I understand you're a Buckeye fan but dont see how anyone can sugarcoat his combine.

I don't see how you can take a bench press, 40 time and cone drill over his game tape, senior bowl and position drills (not all his drills were great but some he looked pretty damn good in).

I guess we just have different drafting philosophies, but I will take practical/applicable results in game situations over some triangle #s any day.

I understand you can't sugarcoat those #s but at the end of the day those #s don't really matter.

Reiff probably solidifies himself as the #2 OT today as this was probably Adams last chance to overtake him, but I don't think he falls like you say.

PossibleCabbage · 02-25-2012, 04:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Sloopy

So can the same be said about Konz?

Konz only had 18 reps and then didn't participate in anything else.

Konz's combine absolutely hurts his cause. That being said, Konz's on-field performance as a center is significantly better than Adams' on-field performance as a tackle, and center is the one OL position where you are most willing to forgive physical shortcomings when they're made up for by mental acuity, technique, and motor.

There is almost nothing that suggests to me, Mike Adams is a good NFL tackle other than his performance at the senior bowl. His college performance suggests he's either a career underachiever, or he's just average.

After today, Adams is at best the #3 OT and can easily be the #4 tackle if Martin performs well at his pro day. I'm not sure he's worth a first round pick (exclusively taking value into account, here.)

Babylon · 02-25-2012, 04:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Sloopy

I don't see how you can take a bench press, 40 time and cone drill over his game tape, senior bowl and position drills (not all his drills were great but some he looked pretty damn good in).

I guess we just have different drafting philosophies, but I will take practical/applicable results in game situations over some triangle #s any day.

I understand you can't sugarcoat those #s but at the end of the day those #s don't really matter.

Reiff probably solidifies himself as the #2 OT today as this was probably Adams last chance to overtake him, but I don't think he falls like you say.

First off i agree with the theory that you go with game tape first but then you have the combine where you're comparing apples to apples. Adams is a top 20 player as i said but i'm commenting on what we're seeing today. I thought that was the purpose of the thread.