Draft Countdown Forums

Go Back   Draft Countdown Forums > Draft Countdown Forums > 2014 NFL Draft Forum

2014 NFL Draft Forum Discuss the 2014 NFL Draft

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 02-26-2012, 12:16 PM    (permalink
armageddon
Veteran
 
Join Date: Dec 2008
Posts: 1,089
Reputation: 61100
armageddon is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.armageddon is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.armageddon is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.armageddon is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.armageddon is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.armageddon is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.armageddon is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.armageddon is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.armageddon is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.armageddon is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.armageddon is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Babylon View Post
If the Rams were creative they'd trade Bradford to Seattle and then draft Griffin. Probably be a win win for everyone.

Rams probably arent interested in listening to any team that doesnt have a top 5 pick.


The Rams are interested in Washington's #6 pick. There just isn't any way the Rams trade with a division rival like Seattle.
armageddon is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-26-2012, 12:19 PM    (permalink
FUNBUNCHER
All-Pro
 
 
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: Dodge City
Posts: 7,495
Reputation: 1199061
FUNBUNCHER is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.FUNBUNCHER is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.FUNBUNCHER is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.FUNBUNCHER is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.FUNBUNCHER is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.FUNBUNCHER is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.FUNBUNCHER is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.FUNBUNCHER is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.FUNBUNCHER is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.FUNBUNCHER is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.FUNBUNCHER is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.
Default

The Skins are prepared to put together a borderline Ricky WIlliams deal for RGIII.

The only way the SKins don't get RGIII is if Shanny tells Bruce Allen and Snyder he doesn't want him.
__________________
FUNBUNCHER is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-26-2012, 12:26 PM    (permalink
armageddon
Veteran
 
Join Date: Dec 2008
Posts: 1,089
Reputation: 61100
armageddon is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.armageddon is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.armageddon is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.armageddon is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.armageddon is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.armageddon is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.armageddon is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.armageddon is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.armageddon is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.armageddon is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.armageddon is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by FUNBUNCHER View Post
The Skins are prepared to put together a borderline Ricky WIlliams deal for RGIII.

The only way the SKins don't get RGIII is if Shanny tells Bruce Allen and Snyder he doesn't want him.


The Skins rumor for RG3 sounds like 2012 1st,2nd,3rd and 2013 1st. That should get it done unless Cleveland wants to add a 2012 2nd along with both 2012 1sts.
armageddon is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-26-2012, 12:28 PM    (permalink
nobodyinparticular
Hall of Famer
Legend
 
Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: Not Oakland, CA
Posts: 21,165
Reputation: 2454011
nobodyinparticular is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.nobodyinparticular is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.nobodyinparticular is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.nobodyinparticular is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.nobodyinparticular is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.nobodyinparticular is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.nobodyinparticular is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.nobodyinparticular is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.nobodyinparticular is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.nobodyinparticular is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.nobodyinparticular is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.
Default

This is ridiculous. I hate seeing talented QBs go to teams that are entirely stripped of all talent. In nearly every case, it's a pretty bad idea to trade a fortune to draft young QB because you are giving away the very assets you will need in order to surround him with talent.

The only team that makes sense to trade up for RGIII is Kansas City. This is a team that has so much young talent and is well under the salary cap, that they will not be hindered by their lack of future draft picks. And if they can get a franchise QB to go with Jamaal Charles and the Bowe/Baldwin/Moeaki trio, that offense will be dynamic. They have talent in the defensive backfield and their LB corps.

You put RGIII on this team and they will be a fixture in the playoffs for the next decade.

In contrast, you put RGIII on the Redskins and they will be in the cellar for years. That team does not have offensive talent to surround RGIII to make him successful and if they give up a king's ransom for him, they won't have the ability to add those impact players.
__________________

Oldie but a goodie.
nobodyinparticular is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-26-2012, 12:29 PM    (permalink
Babylon
Legend
 
Join Date: Oct 2007
Posts: 21,527
Reputation: 3105012
Babylon is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.Babylon is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.Babylon is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.Babylon is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.Babylon is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.Babylon is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.Babylon is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.Babylon is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.Babylon is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.Babylon is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.Babylon is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by armageddon View Post
The Skins rumor for RG3 sounds like 2012 1st,2nd,3rd and 2013 1st. That should get it done unless Cleveland wants to add a 2012 2nd along with both 2012 1sts.
That sounds like a lot for Griffin. If i'm the Rams i'm all over that deal.
Babylon is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-26-2012, 12:52 PM    (permalink
armageddon
Veteran
 
Join Date: Dec 2008
Posts: 1,089
Reputation: 61100
armageddon is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.armageddon is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.armageddon is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.armageddon is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.armageddon is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.armageddon is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.armageddon is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.armageddon is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.armageddon is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.armageddon is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.armageddon is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Babylon View Post
That sounds like a lot for Griffin. If i'm the Rams i'm all over that deal.


If the Browns add their 2nd rounder to both their 1sts, I would consider that deal. Which deal looks better ?

Browns - 2012 #4,#22 + 2nd rounder
Skins - 2012 #6, 2nd,3rd and 4th + 2013 1st

That a tough decision
armageddon is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-26-2012, 01:01 PM    (permalink
FUNBUNCHER
All-Pro
 
 
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: Dodge City
Posts: 7,495
Reputation: 1199061
FUNBUNCHER is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.FUNBUNCHER is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.FUNBUNCHER is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.FUNBUNCHER is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.FUNBUNCHER is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.FUNBUNCHER is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.FUNBUNCHER is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.FUNBUNCHER is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.FUNBUNCHER is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.FUNBUNCHER is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.FUNBUNCHER is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by nobodyinparticular View Post
This is ridiculous. I hate seeing talented QBs go to teams that are entirely stripped of all talent. In nearly every case, it's a pretty bad idea to trade a fortune to draft young QB because you are giving away the very assets you will need in order to surround him with talent.

The only team that makes sense to trade up for RGIII is Kansas City. This is a team that has so much young talent and is well under the salary cap, that they will not be hindered by their lack of future draft picks. And if they can get a franchise QB to go with Jamaal Charles and the Bowe/Baldwin/Moeaki trio, that offense will be dynamic. They have talent in the defensive backfield and their LB corps.

You put RGIII on this team and they will be a fixture in the playoffs for the next decade.

In contrast, you put RGIII on the Redskins and they will be in the cellar for years. That team does not have offensive talent to surround RGIII to make him successful and if they give up a king's ransom for him, they won't have the ability to add those impact players.
The SKins don't have the raw skill position talent that KC has, but they aren't awful. A lot of average guys and unproven 2nd year players. If they can sign a WR like Colston in FA to play along with Hankerson, Santana Moss in the slot and Jabar Gaffney, the WR corps becomes solid. No dominant guy, but a capable group.

Except for Elway, Terrell Davis and Shannon SHarpe, the SKins offense is comparable in talent to Shanahan's teams in Denver with Elway.
__________________
FUNBUNCHER is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-26-2012, 01:11 PM    (permalink
armageddon
Veteran
 
Join Date: Dec 2008
Posts: 1,089
Reputation: 61100
armageddon is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.armageddon is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.armageddon is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.armageddon is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.armageddon is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.armageddon is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.armageddon is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.armageddon is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.armageddon is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.armageddon is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.armageddon is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.
Default

RG3 would be deadly in Washington
armageddon is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-26-2012, 01:15 PM    (permalink
gpngc
All-NFLDC
 
Join Date: Apr 2007
Location: MetLife, Clink x4, MetLife
Posts: 13,071
Reputation: 1727748
gpngc is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.gpngc is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.gpngc is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.gpngc is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.gpngc is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.gpngc is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.gpngc is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.gpngc is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.gpngc is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.gpngc is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.gpngc is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.
Default

Rams just need to make sure they are content with Blackmon/Reiff over Richardson/Claiborne. They may have no choice, though, because rumor is Cleveland isn't willing to go near as high price-wise as Washington.

I wouldn't be surprised if they agree in principle on a deal weeks prior to the draft behind the scenes. Based on the smoke, Washington is a great bet to get RG3 at #2.
gpngc is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 02-26-2012, 02:41 PM    (permalink
slats7
Rookie
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Posts: 84
Reputation: 34453
slats7 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.slats7 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.slats7 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.slats7 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.slats7 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.slats7 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.slats7 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.slats7 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.slats7 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.slats7 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.slats7 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.
Default

RG III vs Cam and Luck

slats7 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-26-2012, 05:50 PM    (permalink
onejayhawk
Veteran
 
Join Date: May 2010
Posts: 905
Reputation: 48792
onejayhawk is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.onejayhawk is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.onejayhawk is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.onejayhawk is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.onejayhawk is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.onejayhawk is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.onejayhawk is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.onejayhawk is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.onejayhawk is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.onejayhawk is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.onejayhawk is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.
Default

I think the Skins are going to talk up RG III and aim a bit lower-Ryan Tannehill. This will work. Shanahan has experience with big arm QBs who can run.

J
onejayhawk is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-26-2012, 06:17 PM    (permalink
FUNBUNCHER
All-Pro
 
 
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: Dodge City
Posts: 7,495
Reputation: 1199061
FUNBUNCHER is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.FUNBUNCHER is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.FUNBUNCHER is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.FUNBUNCHER is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.FUNBUNCHER is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.FUNBUNCHER is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.FUNBUNCHER is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.FUNBUNCHER is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.FUNBUNCHER is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.FUNBUNCHER is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.FUNBUNCHER is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by njx9 View Post
and the best offensive line in the league. and good receivers. i mean, except for every single position, they're pretty comparable.
SKILL position talent, that was the comparison I was making.
__________________
FUNBUNCHER is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-26-2012, 06:25 PM    (permalink
fear the elf
Veteran
 
 
Join Date: Feb 2009
Posts: 828
Reputation: 71359
fear the elf is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.fear the elf is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.fear the elf is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.fear the elf is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.fear the elf is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.fear the elf is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.fear the elf is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.fear the elf is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.fear the elf is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.fear the elf is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.fear the elf is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by nobodyinparticular View Post
This is ridiculous. I hate seeing talented QBs go to teams that are entirely stripped of all talent. In nearly every case, it's a pretty bad idea to trade a fortune to draft young QB because you are giving away the very assets you will need in order to surround him with talent.

The only team that makes sense to trade up for RGIII is Kansas City. This is a team that has so much young talent and is well under the salary cap, that they will not be hindered by their lack of future draft picks. And if they can get a franchise QB to go with Jamaal Charles and the Bowe/Baldwin/Moeaki trio, that offense will be dynamic. They have talent in the defensive backfield and their LB corps.

You put RGIII on this team and they will be a fixture in the playoffs for the next decade.

In contrast, you put RGIII on the Redskins and they will be in the cellar for years. That team does not have offensive talent to surround RGIII to make him successful and if they give up a king's ransom for him, they won't have the ability to add those impact players.
+1

Do want at #4. Don't think we have the talent to support a young QB if we give away the #22 and more.
fear the elf is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-26-2012, 06:36 PM    (permalink
Mufasa
Veteran
 
 
Join Date: Dec 2011
Posts: 1,667
Reputation: 1160127
Mufasa is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.Mufasa is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.Mufasa is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.Mufasa is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.Mufasa is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.Mufasa is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.Mufasa is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.Mufasa is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.Mufasa is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.Mufasa is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.Mufasa is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by FUNBUNCHER View Post
SKILL position talent, that was the comparison I was making.
So you're saying the skill positions are basically the same - if you take out 2 hall of famers and an MVP. What kind of comparison is that?
Mufasa is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-26-2012, 07:15 PM    (permalink
ChiFan24
2011 SWDC Mock Draft Champ
Pro Bowler
 
 
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: <3 cutty <3
Posts: 2,333
Reputation: 727262
ChiFan24 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.ChiFan24 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.ChiFan24 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.ChiFan24 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.ChiFan24 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.ChiFan24 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.ChiFan24 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.ChiFan24 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.ChiFan24 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.ChiFan24 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.ChiFan24 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by FUNBUNCHER View Post
SKILL position talent, that was the comparison I was making.
You were actually being serious?!?
__________________
ChiFan24 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-26-2012, 07:21 PM    (permalink
FUNBUNCHER
All-Pro
 
 
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: Dodge City
Posts: 7,495
Reputation: 1199061
FUNBUNCHER is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.FUNBUNCHER is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.FUNBUNCHER is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.FUNBUNCHER is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.FUNBUNCHER is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.FUNBUNCHER is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.FUNBUNCHER is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.FUNBUNCHER is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.FUNBUNCHER is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.FUNBUNCHER is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.FUNBUNCHER is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by ChiFan24 View Post
You were actually being serious?!?

We don't have an Elway. We don't have SHannon Sharpe but we do have Fred Davis and Chris Cooley. We don't have Terrell Davis and no combo of RBs is going to approximate his production during the Shanny/Elway era.

Njx9 is right, at best the Skins Oline is about average even with new acquisitions.
But the WR corps with Gaffney/Hankerson/Moss and an unnamed FA WR is at least on par with the Broncos wideouts during that period.

The point was really less about comparing the SB Broncos teams to the current SKins and countering the argument that RGIII would be playing for an offense devoid of talent.

If it came across like I was comparing the Skins to the Broncos, that wasn't really what I was trying to do.
__________________
FUNBUNCHER is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-28-2012, 04:04 AM    (permalink
descendency
All-Pro
 
 
Join Date: Nov 2009
Location: NC State
Posts: 8,109
Reputation: 986277
descendency is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.descendency is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.descendency is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.descendency is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.descendency is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.descendency is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.descendency is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.descendency is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.descendency is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.descendency is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.descendency is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.
Default

I almost feel bad for RG3, because he's going to be stuck with absolute garbage in year 1.
__________________
I was gone for 2 months doing things I can't talk about. It might happen again, but that's just the nature of what I do and who I am.
descendency is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-29-2012, 07:31 PM    (permalink
Inspector71
Rookie
 
Join Date: Jan 2012
Posts: 46
Reputation: 9037
Inspector71 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.Inspector71 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.Inspector71 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.Inspector71 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.Inspector71 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.Inspector71 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.Inspector71 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.Inspector71 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.Inspector71 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.Inspector71 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.Inspector71 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by nobodyinparticular View Post
This is ridiculous. I hate seeing talented QBs go to teams that are entirely stripped of all talent. In nearly every case, it's a pretty bad idea to trade a fortune to draft young QB because you are giving away the very assets you will need in order to surround him with talent.

The only team that makes sense to trade up for RGIII is Kansas City. This is a team that has so much young talent and is well under the salary cap, that they will not be hindered by their lack of future draft picks. And if they can get a franchise QB to go with Jamaal Charles and the Bowe/Baldwin/Moeaki trio, that offense will be dynamic. They have talent in the defensive backfield and their LB corps.

You put RGIII on this team and they will be a fixture in the playoffs for the next decade.

In contrast, you put RGIII on the Redskins and they will be in the cellar for years. That team does not have offensive talent to surround RGIII to make him successful and if they give up a king's ransom for him, they won't have the ability to add those impact players.
Your whole premise is ridiculous. So who were the stud players the Giants had when they drafted Eli Manning? They had ZERo at the WR position. They took him in 2004 and then added WR's afterwards.

Phillip Rivers had absolute GARBAGE at WR when he arrived. They later added Gates and Jackson to help him out. To say that a Quarterback will forever toil in mediocrity because he ends up on a Team without immediate threats is revisionist history and a simpleton argument.
Inspector71 is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply


Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

vB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Forum Jump


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 06:37 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.6.4
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.