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View Poll Results: What happens at #2
Rams take Kalil 5 5.38%
Rams take Blackmon 4 4.30%
Rams trade pick to Cleveland, who takes Griffin 27 29.03%
Rams trade pick to Wash, who takes Griffin 28 30.11%
Rams trade pick to a team other than Cle, Wash, who take Griffin 7 7.53%
Rams trade pick to a team who takes Kalil 0 0%
Matt Damon 22 23.66%
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Old 03-01-2012, 09:57 AM    (permalink
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I know it sounds like the Browns really want to add an answer at QB, and that they'll probably explore Flynn and his value/price range, as well as try to get Griffin who I know and you know every team that needs a QB is falling in love with. If we don't get Flynn in free agency you better bet that there will be a bidding war for Griffin and the Browns, like you said fun, have the ammo to outbid anyone if they want to - and Holmgren has tried to move a motherload of picks for Sam Bradford in the past.

I think the Browns are still the favorites for Griffin b/c of this, but there is a lot that is gonna happen in the next 8 weeks so who knows. The Redskins have a really good chance of being the team to take him. No quesiton he should go to one of those two teams.
How much would you be willing to give up? And assuming we would have to give up our 1st and 2nd rounders, how do you think we put talent around him for him to succeed?
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well if we don't have a QB before the draft I would give up what they're saying we might have to. Ernie Accorsi says a franchise QB is worth 3-5 first round picks. If Griffin is a great one like he is expected to be then whatever we give up for him will be trifles compared to what we'd be missing out on.

I kinda would rather sign Flynn and keep the picks....but we gamble that Flynn is just a guy who will improve us and make us a 9 or 10 win team every year instead of a title contender - you really need an elite QB to be a title contender and you usually have to spend top 5 picks on those kind of QBs.
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I pretty much agree with all of that. The thing that keeps bugging me is that there is no guarantee that he becomes a franchise QB, so giving up 3 first round picks is terrifying.

Especially when you consider that talent around a QB helps their development, and we are giving up a lot of talent in those 3+ picks (and currently have almost no talent, as well).

Give up talent to get potential franchise QB, who needs the given up talent to help him become franchise QB... >(
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the odds are good though that he does. he should be at least a good starting QB if not an elite franchise QB. If we strike out then we strike out on something that could completely turn our franchise around for a good part of a decade, and IMO it's worth the potential reward. It's not like we'll be that much worse off than we have been since 1999 if we get Griffin and he busts either, we have little to lose at this point.
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If the Washington rumors are true, how is anyone out bidding them? STL is only moving down 4 spots, and while Cleveland can offer a pick in the 20's this year for help, who honestly sees the Skins picking out of the top 10 next year even with Griffin? Look at where the Panthers are picking this year with one of the most ridiculous rookie QB seasons ever, and still picking 9th without having to give up a ton of picks to get Cam.


Washington is likely giving up a top 5 pick next year which is a potential franchise changing player, in comparison to the #22 pick this year. That, and when is the last time that anyone put in more then Washington when it came to trading picks away?


Maybe they want Flynn, or Tannehill, but if the rumors are true and your STL, there is no reason to even bother with Cleveland. Get Reiff with the 6th pick, and in the 2nd round they can finally get a back-up RB and another WR before even getting to the 3rd round.


That's a very good foundation for going into 2013 draft with a likely top 5 pick and top 15 pick. It's the type of trade that can turn a franchise around.


If I'm Cleveland and that's the offer I have to beat out, I'm probably "settling" for Tannehill. Maybe you can get cute and move back for him at 6, or up with 22, but this team isn't that far off and has built a strong foundation with the offensive and defensive lines.
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I think the Browns should just target Flynn. Get Richardson at 6, Adams or Glenn at 22 and then get someone like Sanu/Wright/Hill in round 2. Sounds like the makings of a dangerous offense to me.
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