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Old 03-23-2012, 12:00 PM    (permalink
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So if Kendall Wright were available at 30 would you Niner fans still jump on him? You also can't have enough good offensive linemen, but I'm confused because San Francisco has invested in a lot of high linemen recently? What are some other areas the Niners would like to address?
It appears that the pick will truly be BPA based on Baalke's board.

Every single position (with competition) is established exept for the starting RG. Interior OL is deep (especially at guard) this draft so there would be no need to force the slot.

The only positions I see as being unlikely at #30 are QB, OT, ILB, P, K.
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What would you guys think of taking Reuban Randle at 30?
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I wouldn't mind another offensive guard. I feel like we already have a good amount of receivers that can make plays for us to not warrant taking another one with our first round pick.
We still lack a true #1 WR. A guy you can line up anywhere, run any route, and excel. I still say we're going WR. Moss is on a one year deal. Manningham signed for 2 years. If Harbaalke believe that either CK, JJ, or Tolz is the future, then why wouldn't you draft them a target on the outside that they can develop with? Any no, Fleener isnt a the same as a WR.

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Yes please go with a WR at 30! We have no need to get a TE or CB there maybe round two or later in the draft .
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We still lack a true #1 WR. A guy you can line up anywhere, run any route, and excel. I still say we're going WR. Moss is on a one year deal. Manningham signed for 2 years. If Harbaalke believe that either CK, JJ, or Tolz is the future, then why wouldn't you draft them a target on the outside that they can develop with? Any no, Fleener isnt a the same as a WR.
I agree but what happens if there's no WR good enough to take at 30? I'm hoping for Hill in regards to WR but my number one target is Fleener and he's a Jimmy Graham type TE/WR and would be an awesome red zone target with Davis and WE DO NEED a TE because I dont see Walker staying in SF as a backup when he'll get more money and be a starter somewhere else.

It would be a lot easier for Fleener to make the transition from college to the NFL than any WR that we'll draft at 30 plus he already knows Harbaugh's offense. Moss, Manningham and Ginn are stopgaps at best but I wouldnt be surprised if the team passed on a WR at 30 because let's be honest, no rookie WR is going to come in and surpass five other receivers ahead of him.

At 30, if Fleener is still on the board, im hoping that Harbaugh drafts him. If Fleener is gone and Hill is there, then im hoping for Hill. If both are gone, then either BPA, an OG or trade out of the first round.

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Yes please go with a WR at 30! We have no need to get a TE or CB there maybe round two or later in the draft .
Considering Harbaugh loves running two TE sets, I dont understand why everyone here says that we dont need a TE. Byham is coming off a torn ACL and Walker is an UFA next year and while im sure the team will try to re-sign him at some point this off-season, I'll be surprised if he does. If he's not re-signed by Draft day, I would draft Fleener at 30 if he's still on the board and then trade Walker since he would be expendable.

Another reason why drafting a WR at 30 isnt better than Fleener is because that rookie WR is basically a long term project and there's no way that rookie WR will surpass five other receivers on the depth chart. It would be easier for Fleener to make the transition than any rookie WR.

Also, everyone here wants a huge red zone target and a Davis/Fleener combination would be damn good.
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If we don't land Fleener at 30 (either passing him up, or he goes earlier) what are some other TE's we could target? Would Orson Charles or Ladarius Green be good pickups in the 2nd/3rd?
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If we don't land Fleener at 30 (either passing him up, or he goes earlier) what are some other TE's we could target? Would Orson Charles or Ladarius Green be good pickups in the 2nd/3rd?
I think if they miss out or pass on Fleener they won't draft a TE till day 3. I think Fleener's skill set and fit into the offense would make him the only TE they would consider drafting high (first 3 rounds).
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I even think they won't draft one at all if they would miss on Fleener. Somehow i have the feeling they are planning on trading up to get DeCastro if he is there in de 15-20 range. There isn't really a big need on any other position and on most position no minor need either.
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I'm starting to think the Niners are going to move up in the draft to nab someone. They always seem to think there are only 20 or so first round players, so I think they may send their first and second to get up for one of them.

If they don't, here are the 10 players I think most likely to be picked at 30:

1. Stephen Hill WR
2. Kevin Zeitler OG
3. Coby Fleener TE
4. Peter Konz C
5. Kendall Reyes DE
6. Rueban Randle WR
7. Whitney Mercilus OLB
8. Stephon Gilmore CB
9. Andre Branch OLB
10. Doug Martin RB

Long story short, if Zeitler, Konz and Hill are gone and we didn't move up, I am going to be a tad disappointed.
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Hill, Fleener, or Konz for me. I actually think Konz is a natural fit a G. And Kilgore was drafted to be a Center.

Those are my "Top-3"

Unless something unforeseen causes someone to drop.
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Hill, Fleener, or Konz for me. I actually think Konz is a natural fit a G. And Kilgore was drafted to be a Center.

Those are my "Top-3"

Unless something unforeseen causes someone to drop.
Man, I just cannot get on the Fleener bandwagon. For the same reason I don't want an RB in the first round. I know we will need another starting caliber TE sometime, but I just see it as one of the strengths of the team. Maybe I just like Delanie Walker more than most, but I think it would be a shame to take him off the field.

If Fleener is the bpa than so be it, I just kinda hope he isn't as I would rather see more talent on the oline or in the WR core. Not at TE.

If we are drafting for depth, then my new darkhorse in round one is a defensive lineman. I think the Niners had a lot of injury luck last year, and would have struggled a bit more if Smith or McDonald went down. I like the youth they have in there, but that doesn't mean they are talented enough to make the impact the Niners need.
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I like the youth they have in there, but that doesn't mean they are talented enough to make the impact the Niners need.
True, but it doesn't mean they aren't talented enough, either. That's why Baalke gets the bucks.
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I think if they miss out or pass on Fleener they won't draft a TE till day 3. I think Fleener's skill set and fit into the offense would make him the only TE they would consider drafting high (first 3 rounds).
I disagree. Egnew is a heck of a TE and a guy I would love for us to take. Just hard predicting where excatly he comes off the board.
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Man, I just cannot get on the Fleener bandwagon. For the same reason I don't want an RB in the first round. I know we will need another starting caliber TE sometime, but I just see it as one of the strengths of the team. Maybe I just like Delanie Walker more than most, but I think it would be a shame to take him off the field.

If Fleener is the bpa than so be it, I just kinda hope he isn't as I would rather see more talent on the oline or in the WR core. Not at TE.

If we are drafting for depth, then my new darkhorse in round one is a defensive lineman. I think the Niners had a lot of injury luck last year, and would have struggled a bit more if Smith or McDonald went down. I like the youth they have in there, but that doesn't mean they are talented enough to make the impact the Niners need.
So your sugessting going even younger? D-Line is solid. Cowboy doesn't miss games. RJF can back-up all 3 positions. When Ray Mac got hurt, RJF filled in and the defense didnt miss a beat. Dobbs and Tukafu are young guys who showed potential and will only improve. There is no 5-Tech, nor NT worth taking at 30. Now if we trade up and we somehow managed to be in a position to grab Poe, I would literally cream my pants. But its not much in the first round as far as D-Line goes that would be much of a improvement over what we already have.

But we're in total agreement with Fleener. Just don't see how adding a third receiving TE threat improves our offense in the area that needs to be tweaked. Like I have discussed in here already, you can't march down the field in 3 TE sets every Sunday. And you can't split out TEs like they're WRs and think your going to get WR-like production on the outside. It wouldnt shocked me if we traded up. We're getting to the point where the holes on the roster are less and less. So not really a need for a full staple of picks. Especially if there's a select few players Baalke really has his eye on.
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I'd have no problems with Fleener if a guy like Hill wasn't there. A tight end that can sit down in the zone is such a boon to a quarterback. Fleener does that well and can also punish teams that go man.

What about a tackle like Martin if he becomes available at 30? I can see Davis really draining an opponent's will to come back out and face him for a full 60 if he's stuck in a phone booth with Davis.
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So your sugessting going even younger? D-Line is solid. Cowboy doesn't miss games. RJF can back-up all 3 positions. When Ray Mac got hurt, RJF filled in and the defense didnt miss a beat. Dobbs and Tukafu are young guys who showed potential and will only improve. There is no 5-Tech, nor NT worth taking at 30. Now if we trade up and we somehow managed to be in a position to grab Poe, I would literally cream my pants. But its not much in the first round as far as D-Line goes that would be much of a improvement over what we already have.

But we're in total agreement with Fleener. Just don't see how adding a third receiving TE threat improves our offense in the area that needs to be tweaked. Like I have discussed in here already, you can't march down the field in 3 TE sets every Sunday. And you can't split out TEs like they're WRs and think your going to get WR-like production on the outside. It wouldnt shocked me if we traded up. We're getting to the point where the holes on the roster are less and less. So not really a need for a full staple of picks. Especially if there's a select few players Baalke really has his eye on.
Why would the 49ers march out in 3 TE sets? Fleener would become the 2nd tight end. We know how much Harbaugh values the TE in his system and with the % of 2/3 TE plays that they run Fleener brings more value. He would improve the 49ers red zone woes with his size and (short term) Alex excels at throwing to his TEs. SF lined up Walker at 15 different spots last season and would love to see how they would utilize Fleener in the offense.

Walker only has a year left on his deal and will make $1.045. Which I don't think SF would mind paying as a 3rd TE and ST contributor.

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Why would the 49ers march out in 3 TE sets? Fleener would become the 2nd tight end. We know how much Harbaugh values the TE in his system and with the % of 2/3 TE plays that they run Fleener brings more value. He would improve the 49ers red zone woes with his size and (short term) Alex excels at throwing to his TEs. SF lined up Walker at 15 different spots last season and would love to see how they would utilize Fleener in the offense.

Walker only has a year left on his deal and will make $1.045. Which I don't think SF would mind paying as a 3rd TE and ST contributor.
I dont see Fleener starting over Walker. I just don't see a rookie being the 2nd TE over a vet who is one of your biggest playmakers on offense. So your essentially, drafting Fleener for what he could provide after Walker leaves(which isnt set in stone) in 2013. That seems like a waste of a top 30 pick.....to essentially red-shirt him for a year. Baalke's track record says he looks to get immediate contributions from his 1st rounder. Now Baalke has yet to have a draft pick towards the end of the 1st so it remains to be seen, what he expects from a #30 pick. But it still doesn't address need for this offense. A 2nd TE isn't a need. You only go BPA if your starters are pretty much intact. There is still a big ? at WR and OG. And what Baalke history tells is he defintely goes need with his first pick. I expect the pick to be one of those two positions, though I really hope its a WR. A TE is a luxury pick that I feel we dont have the luxury to take at this time. Guess we'll see on draft day, how it all unfolds.
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Lets just all hope that either Hill or Wright or maybe Jeffery is there at 30.I'm sure our coaching can put Jeffery back into shape and back on his game.
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I dont see Fleener starting over Walker. I just don't see a rookie being the 2nd TE over a vet who is one of your biggest playmakers on offense. So your essentially, drafting Fleener for what he could provide after Walker leaves(which isnt set in stone) in 2013. That seems like a waste of a top 30 pick.....to essentially red-shirt him for a year. Baalke's track record says he looks to get immediate contributions from his 1st rounder. Now Baalke has yet to have a draft pick towards the end of the 1st so it remains to be seen, what he expects from a #30 pick. But it still doesn't address need for this offense. A 2nd TE isn't a need. You only go BPA if your starters are pretty much intact. There is still a big ? at WR and OG. And what Baalke history tells is he defintely goes need with his first pick. I expect the pick to be one of those two positions, though I really hope its a WR. A TE is a luxury pick that I feel we dont have the luxury to take at this time. Guess we'll see on draft day, how it all unfolds.
At 6'0" Walker isn't really a TE and never really has been. The majority of his contributions to the team have been when he is split or out of the backfield. And he's developed into a damn good blocker.

With that said, Walker playing a true H-Back role would work just fine with Fleener and Davis. Split him wide, put him in the backfield, slot, occasionally on the end of the line.

I would MUCH rather have Delanie Walker and Nate Byham at FB/TE/HBack than Justin Peele and Moran Norris.
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Lets just all hope that either Hill or Wright or maybe Jeffery is there at 30.I'm sure our coaching can put Jeffery back into shape and back on his game.
I'm not sure how you could want Alshon Jeffery over Fleener. Fleener is bigger, faster, and a better fit in Harbaugh's offense.
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I think Fleener would really help with the god-awful third down conversion percentage. Also, the more weapons on the field, the better.
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I think Fleener would really help with the god-awful third down conversion percentage. Also, the more weapons on the field, the better.
I was firmly in the "Fleener is too much of a luxury" camp last month. With the addition of Moss and Manningham, 2 players were added that SIGNIFICANTLY stretch the field more than last year's roster. Adding Fleener at #30 doesn't prevent the likelihood of adding more outside speed to the roster in later rounds. I, personally would MUCH rather a combination of Fleener/Streeter than Hill and a 4th round TE.
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I was firmly in the "Fleener is too much of a luxury" camp last month. With the addition of Moss and Manningham, 2 players were added that SIGNIFICANTLY stretch the field more than last year's roster. Adding Fleener at #30 doesn't prevent the likelihood of adding more outside speed to the roster in later rounds. I, personally would MUCH rather a combination of Fleener/Streeter than Hill and a 4th round TE.
I just want talent on the field. Watching ******* Brett Swain and Kyle Williams try to catch passes was grating. The most successful offenses have stupid amounts of talent on the field, we need that.
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Davis/Walker/Byham is damn good but Davis/Fleener/Byham would be damn great. Huge difference between RB and TE. At RB, we have second year guy Hunter who should get more playing time so Gore can be rested in December and hopefully playoff time. TE wise, the main reason Fleener makes sense at 30 is because there's value in him at that spot, he already knows the offense Harbaugh runs, would be a Jimmy Graham type TE and when you match him up with Davis in the red zone, that will be a better combination than any rookie WR and Davis would be. Also, Walker is a good backup TE but could be a starter for some teams and may want that opportunity especially since he would get paid more money. As long as we have VD, Walker isnt going to start ahead of him. I think that if Fleener is there at 30, we should draft him and then trade Walker for the highest draft pick we can get. Because of his size, speed and red zone threat ability, Fleener is an upgrade over Walker plus he already knows Harbaugh's offense so its not like he'll need much time to learn it. Plus, he would be signed for five years which gives us an awesome TE combination for years to come and weapons for Smith/Johnson/Kaepernick.

Stephen Hill would be good at 30 but he would be a long term project and unless Moss does something stupid and gets released and if Manningham bombs, Hill would be a special teamer at best. 5th best at WR only ahead of Ginn because Ginn sucks as a WR. Between Hill and Fleener, I obviously would draft Fleener because it makes the most sense present and future for so many reasons. If Fleener is gone and Hill is still available, then I draft Hill. After them two, I would look at OG, that NT everyone thinks will go to PIT (forgot his name) if he's available or trade out of the first round with the hopes of some team wanting to trade back into the first round so we can get an extra first rounder next year. Those would be the five options I would be looking at.
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