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Old 04-12-2012, 06:33 PM    (permalink
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4:18 marked he shedded an offensive lineman and knocked a full on running(power) back to the ground from a standstill. He closes well and he delivers impactful hits.

He played well that game. In fact, had he played every down like he did in the 3 games in his careeer against USC he'd be a first rounder. Kid has deep, deeeep emotional issues but he has some talent. Someone will draft him.
He absolutely did not play well in that game. He had a ball thrown right into his hands, sweet. However he is out of position consistently, is slow reacting to the play, and misses more tackles than he makes. What the heck are you watching?
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He read Barkley perfectly on that play and snuck right into the passing lane.
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He absolutely did not play well in that game. He had a ball thrown right into his hands, sweet. However he is out of position consistently, is slow reacting to the play, and misses more tackles than he makes. What the heck are you watching?
I might ask you the same thing.

The ball was hardly thrown right to him, he had to read the QBs eyes and react quickly to jump up and grab it, not to mention hold on to it.

For every play where he disengages off a block the wrong way and the RB goes by him, there is a play where he stone walls a guy at the goal line or sniffs out a screen pass (would have been a hit in the backfield if the RB holds on, and i'd venture to say it would have been quite a violent hit).

He makes some bad plays but he also makes a fair amount of good plays. The potential is there and he will take some coaching.

I think his poor relationship with his coach really hurt him this season.
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He makes some bad plays but he also makes a fair amount of good plays. The potential is there and he will take some coaching.
His potential is so deep, no one will ever get to it.
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His potential is so deep, no one will ever get to it.
I still think that a team will take a flyer on him in the later rounds.

Again, if a team is looking at taking a career back up or pure ST player, they may take a flyer on him instead at the chance that he could be a potential starter.

If not I think at worst you've managed to land a career backup or ST player you were looking at in round 7 anyway.

I say I'd take him in the 5th or 6th just because I DO think some team drafts him and if I was interested (as a Ravens fan I am) I would nab him up.

I personally wouldn't mind the Ravens using one of their 5th rounders on him.

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I wouldn't say that the 5th is "very" late.

Look at it this way too...I would not draft head case, undisciplined players. And I wouldn't draft ultra slow, 5.00 40 running LBs...

Combine both into one player and he's not just off my draft board, I'm burning the card with his name on it.
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He could fill a Brandon Spikes type role in the NFL if somehow he smartens up a bit, but that is the million dollar question. I don't think he will last past the third but crazier things have happened.

My prediction is the Ravens take him in the third. Who better for a headcase MLB with talent to develop under than the greatest MLB of all time who also has had some issues, murder case fwiw.
Spikes was never a 4.4 guy though. Burfict was definitely better than a 4.9 LB.

Spikes cares. Burfict is going to hate himself in 10 years when he realizes he threw it all away.
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I might ask you the same thing.

The ball was hardly thrown right to him, he had to read the QBs eyes and react quickly to jump up and grab it, not to mention hold on to it.

For every play where he disengages off a block the wrong way and the RB goes by him, there is a play where he stone walls a guy at the goal line or sniffs out a screen pass (would have been a hit in the backfield if the RB holds on, and i'd venture to say it would have been quite a violent hit).

He makes some bad plays but he also makes a fair amount of good plays. The potential is there and he will take some coaching.

I think his poor relationship with his coach really hurt him this season.
Is that the same play, where after he intercepts the ball he is outran by the defensive linemen on his own team?

Burfict was attempting to rush the passer. USC tried to throw a middle screen that ended up being thrown directly at him, due to his inability to get to the QB. If you watch that play, and see "reacting quickly" or "reading the QBs eyes" then you cannot be helped.

Terrible gap discipline, countless bad angles, slow reacting to the snap.... he is everything you don't want in a LB.

Look at the back to back plays at 3:42... what is he doing? He has no idea. When you add in the awful workout numbers, and the fact that he's a mental case. He's undraftable.
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I hate When people compare Burfict to Brandon Spikes.

Spikes was 10x the player Burfict is coming out.
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Is that the same play, where after he intercepts the ball he is outran by the defensive linemen on his own team?

Burfict was attempting to rush the passer. USC tried to throw a middle screen that ended up being thrown directly at him, due to his inability to get to the QB. If you watch that play, and see "reacting quickly" or "reading the QBs eyes" then you cannot be helped.

Terrible gap discipline, countless bad angles, slow reacting to the snap.... he is everything you don't want in a LB.

Look at the back to back plays at 3:42... what is he doing? He has no idea. When you add in the awful workout numbers, and the fact that he's a mental case. He's undraftable.
And if you don't understand how hard it is to react to that ball being thrown that quickly, to jump up and get it, regardless of it's proximity to you, then you have never played football and can't be helped.

He definitely displays poor gap control at times, that can't be argued. Like much of his game, at times it's right on and other times it's questionable. The fact that there are plays where he puts it all together and looks pretty damn good is what I'm talking about.

The potential is there, I'm not saying he is a first round or a second round etc. I'm saying that this guy warrants a pick somewhere in the draft.

You can sit here and rip him all you want, he still displays more potential than probably most of the LBs slated for the later rounds.
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I don't understand why that comment is 'bold'. It might have been before the combine...
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He is good at jumping over centers to fly into QBs faces, I saw him do that a couple of times.

Some team will draft him though, & 4th-7th sounds about right. Denver drafted Maurice Clarett didnt they?
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USC tried to throw a middle screen that ended up being thrown directly at him, due to his inability to get to the QB. If you watch that play, and see "reacting quickly" or "reading the QBs eyes" then you cannot be helped.
This.

And the whole "he still had to..." argument is just dumb. Basically, what your saying (and I've played football, seems like clarkw has too) is "well he still had to have some form of reaction time and some athleticism. The ball wasn't fired (though not a lob), it is a relatively easy catch if you are within arms reach of it.

If you think that tape against USC is good... well, just read the last 5 words of clarkw's post that I quoted...

That being said, despite me not being a big fan of his, he will most likely still get drafted IMO, though not until the 5th at the earliest, I'd imagine. Some team will find something to like, and will figure on rolling the dice on him. Though don't expect him to make himself into a starter, he just doesn't have the head or body to do it.
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Bengals have 3 5th round picks. Wont be shocked if we take him.
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That being said, despite me not being a big fan of his, he will most likely still get drafted IMO, though not until the 5th at the earliest, I'd imagine. Some team will find something to like, and will figure on rolling the dice on him. Though don't expect him to make himself into a starter, he just doesn't have the head or body to do it.
This is all I'm trying to say.

I'm not trying to say the guy is a first rounder. I'm saying that he WILL get drafted by some team who wants to see if he can get his **** together. I said 5th-6th but thats only because if I was interested in him, or believed he could be a starter, I would grab him before the 7th when other teams will also likely be looking at him

As far as the catch: If it was that easy for guys around the LOS to pick the ball off, why wouldn't it happen more often? Why is that play most often a tip or goes over his head (which it is designed to do: suck in the DL/LBs who are blitzing and pop it over their heads)?

We can argue if it is easy to make that catch or not. There is still something there, that you see on the occasional play that would lead me to want to see what is there with some actual coaching and thats all I'm trying to say.
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"The occasional play" is when he guesses right. I don't want my LBs guessing.
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"The occasional play" is when he guesses right. I don't want my LBs guessing.
Oh come on.

You are suffering from stereotype bias, you are dismissing any information which would contradict your preconceived notions.

Any good decision is a guess

Any good play was "easy"

I'm not trying to convince you that this guy is a round one prospect. I'm saying that he is most definitely a better option than most of the LBs you would be drafting in the 5th-7th rounds. Guys who will most definitely be career backups or ST guys.

Yes there is a potential for this guy to bust, which is why he won't be selected until the 5th at the earliest. At the same time there is a potential to become a starter; a potential that most of the guys getting selected in said rounds DO NOT have.

I'd venture to say that at the very least you will have managed to obtain the career back up or ST player that you would have selected in that round anyway.
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Please. someone tell me what there is to like.

Speed - Nope
Athleticism - Nope
Instincts - Nope
Character - Nope
Discipline - Nope

Oh wait, but when he happens to stumble into the correct hole he can deliver a big hit once a game. Yeah I'll draft that guy... Not.
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Please. someone tell me what there is to like.

Speed - Nope
Athleticism - Nope
Instincts - Nope
Character - Nope
Discipline - Nope

Oh wait, but when he happens to stumble into the correct hole he can deliver a big hit once a game. Yeah I'll draft that guy... Not.
First of all, you are suffering from the same stereotype bias as your friend. You completely disregard any evidence that contradicts your preconceived notions.

Second, you act as though speed, athleticism, instincts etc. are all black and white rather than falling somewhere on a spectrum.

The guy has apt speed for the role he would be playing in the NFL (3-4 ILB). The same can be said for athleticism.

So what if he didn't run a fast fourty? Neither did Brandon Spikes (No I am not comparing the two, I am merely pointing out that speed in the forty is not neccesary to play 3-4 ILB).

Character concerns and discipline problems are a given. Again though, we aren't talking about a first round pick.

However, there are a number of guys with questionable instincts and disappointing college production that ARE going in the first round. You act like Taze is the only one.
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Instead, could you tell us what Taze has to offer?
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I personally think he does show game speed and athleticism apt to play the position that he would in the NFL.

I also think that he offers greater potential than some of the other schmucks that you might find in the later rounds at the same position.

I once thought this guy was a first rounder (like many) and he has proven himself not to be. That's fine and I agree with it; but now it seems like people are underrating him.
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Pile onto everything else that he failed a drug test too.

Seriously. This is way beyond the point of being silly.
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We need to have a pool going for what happens to him. Something like:

1. Cut in preseason and sent to prison for pulling out gun on kids.
2. Chokes coach and blacklisted from league.
3. Fails too many drug tests and suspended forever.
4. Runs into the stands and fist-fights fan.
5. Punches referee, bonus for fighting Ed Hoculi.
6. Actually succeeds and eventually starts for an NFL Team.
7. Rape in nightclub.
8. Drunk driving accident ends his career.


Something tells me that there will be multiple winners, might even become a checklist.
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Seriously, he's just a human conga-line of "what could go wrong next?"

Sub-par season? Check.
Personal foul penalties galore? check.
Punched a teammate? check.
HORRIBLE pre-draft performances? check.
Failed drug test? check.

Seriously.
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Maybe he's this year's "Tebow". The unexplainable phenomenon that somehow finds success in the mist of terribleness. I would call him "The Anti-Tebow" but that depends on how well Burfict can perform on the field. And yes...I'm comparing linebackers to Tebow, that is what the NFL has devolved in to now.
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