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Old 03-01-2012, 11:00 AM    (permalink
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Default 4) Browns: Ryan Tannehill, QB, Texas A&M

I was the first to put Cam Newton #1 to Carolina last year (http://draftcountdown.com/forum/showthread.php?t=45951) , and I'm calling this right now.

If the Browns strike out with FA QBs (and they likely will), don't trade up for RG3 (word is Washington right now), they'll choose between Tannehill and Trent Richardson.

And they'll take Tannehill. They won't risk him falling near 8 and 12, where the Dolphins and Seahawks pick.

My suspicions:

- NFL people are much higher on him than draftniks. They view his 1.5 years of experience as a reason to believe he can and will improve from his college performance.

- He'll interview extremely well.

- The Browns will fall in love (they'll also have no other way to address QB besides Weeden/Cousins/etc. later in the draft and will definitely feel some pressure to get a face of the franchise/offensive playmaker after trading down the last few years - of course, that could be an argument for TRich as well).
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Jake Locker isn't a 1st round pick? Tsk, tsk. I disagree with Tannehill going 4, but we'll see. I could see him going to the Skins at 6, and that's only a two pick difference, so who knows.
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I'm not sure they'd take him as high as #4....but a trade down or trade up could happen for Tannehill. Teams would do it to in order to get the one elite corner in this draft - Claiborne. (Panthers are hot for a stud CB this offseason). Then again after what we saw with Locker, Ponder, etc. last year, Tanny at #4 wouldn't shock me.

On the flipside, if the Browns go up and get Griffin, I could def see the Redskins using #6 on Tanny.
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Tannehill would be an utter disaster. I have no confidence that the kid has the accuracy, the live action brains, or the gumption, to play the position.

That means it's likely that the Browns will take him.
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Im not saying it wont happen but Cam Newton is alot different from Ryan Tannehill.

Newton actually won as a quarterback, he had much more potential and at this time last year Newton Newton was projected to go a lt higher than where Tannehill is being projected to go.
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Hey Cleveland fans. If you don't get RG3 or Matt Flynn. What would you give up for Ryan Mallett? I'm happy with 2013 pick.
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I was the first to put Cam Newton #1 to Carolina last year (http://draftcountdown.com/forum/showthread.php?t=45951) , and I'm calling this right now.

If the Browns strike out with FA QBs (and they likely will), don't trade up for RG3 (word is Washington right now), they'll choose between Tannehill and Trent Richardson.

And they'll take Tannehill. They won't risk him falling near 8 and 12, where the Dolphins and Seahawks pick.

My suspicions:

- NFL people are much higher on him than draftniks. They view his 1.5 years of experience as a reason to believe he can and will improve from his college performance.

- He'll interview extremely well.

- The Browns will fall in love (they'll also have no other way to address QB besides Weeden/Cousins/etc. later in the draft and will definitely feel some pressure to get a face of the franchise/offensive playmaker after trading down the last few years - of course, that could be an argument for TRich as well).
Pretty sure Pudge had Cam at 1 during the season, haha.
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Pretty sure Pudge had Cam at 1 during the season, haha.
No not saying Big Board.

No mock drafts had him going first overall before 2-23 (when I posted that thread). At least not that I'm aware of.

I remember trying to argue to Bills fans that they'd take him at 3 before I realized that the same argument was the reason he'd go #1.
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Three QB's in the Top 4. WHOOO! Wouldn't surprise me. I didn't think Locker or Ponder would go that high last year.
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sure hope not..If so, sign Vincent Jackson in Free Agency. I hope not Tannehill at 4 though
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Three QB's in the Top 4. WHOOO! Wouldn't surprise me. I didn't think Locker or Ponder would go that high last year.
Locker and Ponder had more of a resume though. Tannehill would be a huge reach at #4 but we know teams do strange things. More realistic is the Dolphins or Seahawks go with Tanny.
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Hey Cleveland fans. If you don't get RG3 or Matt Flynn. What would you give up for Ryan Mallett? I'm happy with 2013 pick.
Maybe a snow cone? Possibly a Little Debbie Christmas Tree Cake... mmmm, delicious.
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I'm going to go ahead and say it. Ryan Tannehill will not be a Cleveland Brown next season.

Also, on a similar note of bragging rights. I wonder if I was the first to put Von Miller in the top 10 last year.
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I'm going to go ahead and say it. Ryan Tannehill will not be a Cleveland Brown next season.

Also, on a similar note of bragging rights. I wonder if I was the first to put Von Miller in the top 10 last year.
I had Jake Locker in the top ten so there is that.

On an unrelated topic a broken clock is right twice a day.
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I was the first to put Cam Newton #1 to Carolina last year (http://draftcountdown.com/forum/showthread.php?t=45951) , and I'm calling this right now.

If the Browns strike out with FA QBs (and they likely will), don't trade up for RG3 (word is Washington right now), they'll choose between Tannehill and Trent Richardson.

And they'll take Tannehill. They won't risk him falling near 8 and 12, where the Dolphins and Seahawks pick.

My suspicions:

- NFL people are much higher on him than draftniks. They view his 1.5 years of experience as a reason to believe he can and will improve from his college performance.

- He'll interview extremely well.

- The Browns will fall in love (they'll also have no other way to address QB besides Weeden/Cousins/etc. later in the draft and will definitely feel some pressure to get a face of the franchise/offensive playmaker after trading down the last few years - of course, that could be an argument for TRich as well).
I said I was wondering if I preferred him to Luck months ago. He's got everything physically, is smart, and despite the W-L last year, was pretty prolific as a passer in his first starting season despite his inexperience and receivers dropping a lot of passes. It was when I saw him picking apart LSU's defense in the bowl game last year.
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- NFL people are much higher on him than draftniks. They view his 1.5 years of experience as a reason to believe he can and will improve from his college performance.
most NFL teams want their draftable QBs to have more starts not less. Otherwise you get a "not ready now or ever" situation like Mark Sanchez. I honestly believe there's a pretty good chance Tannehill is there at 22. and a long shot chance he's available early rd2. the guy has done nothing since the end of the bowl season to raise his stock.

people compare Tannehill to Locker or Ponder, where's the signature wins? Baylor? Locker beat nebraska and Ponder beat all sorts of good programs in the state of Florida.
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most NFL teams want their draftable QBs to have more starts not less. Otherwise you get a "not ready now or ever" situation like Mark Sanchez. I honestly believe there's a pretty good chance Tannehill is there at 22. and a long shot chance he's available early rd2. the guy has done nothing since the end of the bowl season to raise his stock.
A) Who cares?

B) He'll have one of those 'best pro days I've ever seen' that every good QB prospect has, I'm sure.
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A) Who cares?

B) He'll have one of those 'best pro days I've ever seen' that every good QB prospect has, I'm sure.
again I ask, where are teh signature wins? Who has he beat?
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again I ask, where are teh signature wins? Who has he beat?
Come on, you know that lack of signature college wins means very, very little in regards to a developmental franchise QB prospect with all the tools.

Christian Ponder was pretty much awful at FSU. Locker didn't have much team success at Udub. All Cutler did was lose at Vandy. They all went around top-10 or higher because of physical tools/upside/intelligence.

The lack of success/experience is a legitimate concern. But not one that will cause him to fall out of the top-12.
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most NFL teams want their draftable QBs to have more starts not less. Otherwise you get a "not ready now or ever" situation like Mark Sanchez. I honestly believe there's a pretty good chance Tannehill is there at 22. and a long shot chance he's available early rd2. the guy has done nothing since the end of the bowl season to raise his stock.
You are simply, completely, wrong. He won't make it past Seattle. He won't make it to Seattle. If they want him, they'll be seeking trades.

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people compare Tannehill to Locker or Ponder, where's the signature wins? Baylor? Locker beat nebraska and Ponder beat all sorts of good programs in the state of Florida.
Because despite only playing a year and a half, versus four, he already looks better as a passer than Locker. Because despite not having signature wins, coaches see that he always kept his team close - they know when a player is playing well, but his teammates are dropping his passes, or the defense collapsing. They're coaches. This is what they're paid to understand. And he's got for superior tools to Christian Ponder. And don't say, "B-b-b-but 40 time!"

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Ryan Tannehill

Positives: Athleticism, intelligence, has demonstrated an ability to learn new positions and have quick success, arm strength, pocket presence. If Texas A&M had won more games, people wouldn't be nearly so down on Tannehill. I've watched a lot of Tannehill. It wasn't Tannehill who lost those games. A&M's losses were by 1 point to Oklahoma State, 4 points to Arkansas, by a TD to Mizzou in overtime, by 16 to Oklahoma, by 3 to Kansas State in 4 overtimes and by 2 to Texas. That's a ton of really close games, a bunch of which A&M had early leads in. That says more about the team as a whole than an indictment of any single player. Those were defensive collapses, and I know I might be sounding like an apologist, but a lot of those games could've been won had Tannehill's receivers been able to hang onto balls that hit them in the chest on third down.

But on to the things I specifically like about Tannehill – when I first started watching him, I think I watched an “every-throw” compilation against LSU – obviously one of the best college defenses in the country. He was nailing the out routes, and I think it was from last year, his first year as a college QB. i.e., he was making plays right in front of Patrick Peterson and making him look pretty average, and doing so after only being a college QB for half a season. His spirals are tight and he has good placement on those sideline throws, allowing his receivers to shield the ball with their bodies and pick up consistent first downs. He throws pretty well on the run, and can throw a good deep ball. But the other thing I really, really like about Tannehill is the way he looks with pressure coming at him, and I think this is a critical trait for NFL quarterbacks – he ignores it. He does a great job of allowing his receivers to come open while trusting his pocket. He's willing to take hits by staying in the pocket long enough to get the throw off. And even in those losing games, he never looked frantic. He just kept pushing. Unfortunately, there were some dropped balls and defensive failures that left A&M with a few more losses than maybe they should've had. That was a team that was more talented than their record last year.

Negatives: Must learn to read coverages better and be willing to look at his non-primary reads. This is a major weakness. I hardly ever saw him looking to second or third receivers. Rolling out to his right, he'd never look to his left. He'd take a drop and just be looking for Fuller the whole time. A lot of his interceptions are because of this; he knows he wants to throw it deep to Fuller, Fuller's double-covered... he throws it anyways. Pick. In a way, this is almost impressive to me; there are many plays where as soon as the ball is snapped, you can see who he's looking for and sure enough, that's where he throws it. Often he completes passes just because his ball placement is good enough that defensive backs couldn't get to it. But that's going to be a lot harder in the NFL, and if he keeps it up he's going to be a pick-6 machine whenever he tries to throw short outs and flat routes. Needs to keep learning the mental side of being a QB, and needs to trust his receivers to be there when he can't see them, but those are things that I think come with experience.

Overall impression: I think Tannehill has all the phsyical abilities you could want in an NFL QB, I think he might have the best raw arm in this draft class, and I like his toughness in the pocket and the fact that he's played two positions at a high level as a college player; that tells me he's a hard worker and can pick things up quickly. He will require a lot of teaching in the NFL as he continues to learn the nuances of the position, but I'm inclined to roll the dice on him. To me, he's got the intangible qualities you can't really coach, and the areas in which he needs to improve are areas that come with experience and coaching.
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If the Browns feel he's a franchise QB, then I can see them making this move. However, he has a huge bust potential. It almost seems nuts to take him 4th.
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