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Old 03-03-2012, 08:34 PM    (permalink
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My guess for what they will be

Gregg Williams gets fined $250,000 and suspended 8 games
New Orleans Saints get fined $500,000 and forfeit their second round pick this year and their first round pick next year

I don't think Williams should be made the scapegoat. He is the defensive coordinator and his head coach and GM knew what was going on. If they really wanted it stopped they would have stopped it. Williams should be fined maybe $50k and suspended two games.
The Sainst broke the salary cap rules and should be maybe fined $150k and forfeit their second round pick this year.

IMO the offense isn't that serious. But with player safety rules increasing Goodell will bring the hammer down. I have a feeling Goodell wants his legacy as NFL Commissioner to be that of the guy who made the game safer and protected players. This is his chance to really enforce that view.
Too light of a penalty for a coach that's done it for several years while under multiple teams. Same goes for the Saints as someone that represents them lied about this when asked and basically wiped his ass with a mandate from the commissioner that it stops immediately. They are going to get hammered hard for racketeering.
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Mickey Loomis also apparently lied to the NFL while investigating, so I see him also getting punished directly.
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or how ballsy receivers are when they can get clothes-lined neck level at any point in their route. or when defensive lineman can headslap at will. etc.
You must be mistaking me for somebody else. I'm okay with those things.

I just don't think that players with modern, solid helmets should be intentionally diving at knees or heads just to get some tax-free bonus cash from a low-life coach.

Play mean, play dirty, even play to inflict pain; but don't be a psychopath.

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I just don't think that players with modern, solid helmets should be intentionally diving at knees or heads just to get some tax-free bonus cash from a low-life coach..
Is that you Louis?
Louis...... ?
It's just BS that Nick Collins has a guy jump over him, and nick him on the head, probably ending HIS career with the fluke neck injury, but Louie fuqing dives into knees to try and rip their ACL's, and his neck is fine.

One never hopes for a neck injury (well except the Saints I guess), but if someone's gonna get it, why can't it be the ****ers like Delmas.

Is there such a thing as Karma?

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Oh, a Lion being dirty. What else is new.
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Is that you Louis?
Louis...... ?
It's just BS that Nick Collins has a guy jump over him, and nick him on the head, probably ending HIS career with the fluke neck injury, but Louie fuqing dives into knees to try and rip their ACL's, and his neck is fine.

One never hopes for a neck injury (well except the Saints I guess), but if someone's gonna get it, why can't it be the ****ers like Delmas.

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Gotta say, between Greg Williams, the Lions with Schwartz, and the rep Chuck Cecil had as a player, and the fact the Titans had the most penalties of any NFL team in the previous decade, Jeff Fisher sure seems to represent a common theme.
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Oh, a Lion being dirty. What else is new.
Honestly, I don't wish injuries upon players because it's just off to me, but just because of you...I hope Delmas takes out Cutler's ACL next season.
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Gotta say, between Greg Williams, the Lions with Schwartz, and the rep Chuck Cecil had as a player, and the fact the Titans had the most penalties of any NFL team in the previous decade, Jeff Fisher sure seems to represent a common theme.
Is Fisher's coaching tree the latest "Kill a mother-****** dead" tree?
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Honestly, I don't wish injuries upon players because it's just off to me, but just because of you...I hope Delmas takes out Cutler's ACL next season.
Suh injures Jay Cutler throwing arm on the same play. This board would be so funny if this happened.
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Gotta say, between Greg Williams, the Lions with Schwartz, and the rep Chuck Cecil had as a player, and the fact the Titans had the most penalties of any NFL team in the previous decade, Jeff Fisher sure seems to represent a common theme.
Really? we beat the raiders?
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Honestly, I don't wish injuries upon players because it's just off to me, but just because of you...I hope Delmas takes out Cutler's ACL next season.
Then I'd never shut up about it.

Go through a season free of players getting suspended and not have the top two most flagged players for personal fouls in the league and maybe I'll reign it in a little.
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Really? we beat the raiders?
Rephrase - significant penalties, i.e. the 15 yard ones, yes we did - and it wasn't even close:

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Then I'd never shut up about it.

Go through a season free of players getting suspended and not have the top two most flagged players for personal fouls in the league and maybe I'll reign it in a little.
I don't think we did have the two most flagged players in the league, so you'll have to actually back that up. And constant ticky tacky ******** that was given to us because of horrid officiating counts to things too.
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Then I'd never shut up about it.

Go through a season free of players getting suspended and not have the top two most flagged players for personal fouls in the league and maybe I'll reign it in a little.
They'll have Finnegan in 2012, book it ;)
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Honestly, I don't wish injuries upon players because it's just off to me, but just because of you...I hope Delmas takes out Cutler's ACL next season.

I don't think we did have the two most flagged players in the league, so you'll have to actually back that up. And constant ticky tacky ******** that was given to us because of horrid officiating counts to things too.
I agree that some of Suh's penalties were ticky-tack.
But Delmas has gotten away with plenty of cracks to the knees.
He did take out the Falcon FB's knee as you know, with a cheap shot. A ***** shot. He had a free shot at him, defenseless, and he chose to dive into his knee.
He did it to Vick there too as shown.

I also remember him doing it to Jermichael Finley in the 2009 season and injuring his knee, for 3 or 4 games. Luckily J-Mike's knee wasn't totally planted, but it was another one like Ovie where he caught and turned so it was a blind, free cheap shot. A wimp, ***** shot. Hit guys in the chest like a real man.

If I have seen 3 knee-shots, odds are I've missed a lot because I don't watch the Lions all the time.

I'd rather have Cutler cheap shot Delmas in the knee on a reverse, with Delmas blitzing, and bust Louie's ACL and MCL.

How sweet would that Karma be?
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Lifetime Ban for Williams?
http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nfl-sh...001230526.html
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Delmas never injured Jermichael's knee, he just decked him between the numbers and Jermichael bitched about it for a year.
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Delmas never injured Jermichael's knee, he just decked him between the numbers and Jermichael bitched about it for a year.
The one you are talking about he was flagged for, as the ball was already over his head and Finley didn't even go for it. Then Delmas hit him.
http://blog.mlive.com/highlightreel/...michael_f.html

I have more problem with the knee shots than this kind, although this one was a penalty, and deservedly so.

If Delmas played for Greg Williams the past 3 years, he'd have doubled his salary under the table.
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People love to ***** about players being dirty, unless they are on their team. Just like guys are arrogant or douchebags, but if it's their team, they're "passionate". haha
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I am starting to think we are cursed......
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People love to ***** about players being dirty, unless they are on their team. Just like guys are arrogant or douchebags, but if it's their team, they're "passionate". haha
That's true.
They talk like tough guys, until their QB or RB gets his knee taken out, or their WR gets their head smashed in by some cheap DB's shell helmet.
Anquan Boldin was tough as hell, and his face was broken from a helmet on a cheap shot.
Granted, Arizona had no business passing that ball in that situation, but they wanted to get Warner more garbage fantasy points.
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I am starting to think we are cursed......

Gregg Williams getting fired before he starts is a blessing. He's stubborn and clueless most of the time.
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Anquan Boldin was tough as hell, and his face was broken from a helmet on a cheap shot.
you either have no vague understanding of what a cheap shot is, or a serious disconnect with reality.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...wSkMU8#t=38 s

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