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Old 03-03-2012, 02:05 PM    (permalink
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I'm honestly shocked that this is even a story. Every team does this.
these are all speculations. saints got caught. it is against the rules. how is this not going to be a story?
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Too bad Jack Black isn't the NFL commissioner. All he would do to the Saints for breaking the rules is pull out all of their pubic hair

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I'm honestly shocked that this is even a story. Every team does this.
So a team who has blatantly broken the rules for 3 years, paid players benefits that broke salary cap rules, players received money that wasn't declared for tax purposes, the team was investigated by the league where multiple team officials and players lied shouldn't be a story???

Too much of a deal is made out of the bounty part of it but the Saints broke the rules, were investigated and continued anyway. And this came with knowledge of everyone as high up as the owner. This is a major story but for different reasons to the one everyone gets caught up on.

If Mickey Loomis somehow keeps his job I'll be shocked.
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Not reading this entire thread. What is the projected penalty (this year's 2nd and next year's 1st?)

And who the **** leaked it? Any speculation?
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Not reading this entire thread. What is the projected penalty (this year's 2nd and next year's 1st?)

And who the **** leaked it? Any speculation?
What defensive players have been cut or not brought back recently?
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Theres nothing dirty about any of those plays. This is football not figure skating. If you cant handle the injuries which is a part of football go into another sport.

These guys are getting paid millions to play aggressive and try and hurt their opponents.

If you dont have that mentality as a player you should find another job.
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I've been thinking about this and one thing that really pisses me off is people using a major issue like player safety for their own, or their group's, gain.

Former New Orleans Saints LB Scott Fujita is a member of the NFLPA Executive Committee who stood up against so many things last year during the NFL Lockout, including going to an 18 game regular season because it would be detrimental to the long term health of NFL players.

Here is a lovely, poignant letter from Scott Fujita's wife Jaclyn written last year which warned of the dangers of playing in the NFL.

http://www.thenation.com/blog/159361/wish-nfl-wife

Pay particulalr attention to the fifth paragraph in the letter where she eloquently states

"The sport which taught them to play through pain, to never complain, to never stop, to yell, to scream, to hit, to fight, to destroy the man in front of them, to work until they puke, to lay their body on the line every Sunday and just hope that they walk off that field and arenít carried."

There is one plea near the end where Jaclyn Fujita says

"And here they are, simply asking the men who profit from their work, to please look after their health, as they should have done throughout their career."

The letter is very touching and hits on important points. Points which were rightfully fought for last year during the lockout. It is not right that NFL teams make billions and don't look after player safety. Concussions and other brain injuries are not only occuring with some former players but are common.

But my question is this, when, last year during the labour negotiations, did Scott Fujita come out and state that he was fully aware of a bounty program going on in his former team? A bounty program that was organised by the defensive coordinator in New Orleans. A bounty program that his former head coach and General Manager were aware of. A bounty program which clearly states a player will receive a bonus payment of $1000 for a player to be carted off. Is this not the exact same thing that Jaclyn Fujita wrote about in her letter when she said "to lay their body on the line every Sunday and just hope that they walk off that field and arenít carried"

Maybe Scott Fujita just didn't tell his wife that he was involved in a bounty program, or maybe she didn't care when the extra money came rolling in, or maybe neither of them cared and simply covered it all up.
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Not reading this entire thread. What is the projected penalty (this year's 2nd and next year's 1st?)

And who the **** leaked it? Any speculation?
Not sure if it's credible, but there's also talk of suspensions for Williams & players.

Regarding the leak, this what I could find:
http://theredzone.org/BlogDescriptio...?EntryID=24242

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Goodell said the investigation began in 2010 after allegations were made that the Saints defenders had targeted Arizona Cardinals quarterback Kurt Warner and Minnesota Vikings quarterback Brett Favre during their 2009 run to the Super Bowl. "Our security department interviewed numerous players and other individuals," Goodell said. "At the time, those interviewed denied that any such program existed and the player that made the allegation retracted his earlier assertions. As a result, the allegations could not be proven. We recently received significant and credible new information and the investigation was re-opened during the latter part of the 2011 season.”
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I think there is something wrong with getting extra compensation to purposely injure someone. Those guys guys weren't getting the big bucks unless the opposing player was carted off the field in some cases. That makes the stakes higher and makes it a priority to not only stop an offensive player, but cause serious injury so the defender will get paid.
You hit 100 percent no matter what. The bonus are just for team camaraderie. You make a nice big hit you get a little bonus.
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every player involved gets 2 games and the saints lose a first round pick.

coaches get fined.

any less and Roger is a paper tiger.

Isn't this a cap violation of some sort?
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It is a cap violation.

Also from hwat I've read, it's 22-27 defensive players. If 22-27 defensive players get suspended for 2 games, that's going to be some interesting roster moves on their part. At worst, choose 3-4 of the worst offenders and limit it to that.
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you could stagger the suspensions. 27 players 3 a game.

and of course they might be evading taxes at some level.
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you could stagger the suspensions. 27 players 3 a game.

and of course they might be evading taxes at some level.
Most of them are almost certainly evading taxes, on a lot of levels, probably without even knowing it. Their problem is, now the IRS might actually look into it.

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I'm honestly shocked that this is even a story. Every team does this.
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I'll have you know the Buccaneers defense can't hit anyone, much less injure an opposing player.
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I admit I get frustrated by NFL and their flag waving BS. If players in the NFL evaded taxes while soldiers in Afghanistan are losing limbs and lives then the NFL needs to ban players and coaches (mike tice from years ago) who don't pay taxes owed.

"(Curiously, peace-time appeals for individuals to make some small sacrifice in ... their standard of living seem to be less effective than war-time appeals they lay down their lives...:

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I know lots of people and companies evade taxes but the NFL waves the flag hard.
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or it means you're 13 years old and have zero historical perspective. but whatever.
Yeah, I know. I'd honestly like to go back to leather helmets without facemasks, and then see how ballsy the defenders are when they're tempted to turn themselves into projectiles.

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My guess for what they will be

Gregg Williams gets fined $250,000 and suspended 8 games
New Orleans Saints get fined $500,000 and forfeit their second round pick this year and their first round pick next year

I don't think Williams should be made the scapegoat. He is the defensive coordinator and his head coach and GM knew what was going on. If they really wanted it stopped they would have stopped it. Williams should be fined maybe $50k and suspended two games.
The Sainst broke the salary cap rules and should be maybe fined $150k and forfeit their second round pick this year.

IMO the offense isn't that serious. But with player safety rules increasing Goodell will bring the hammer down. I have a feeling Goodell wants his legacy as NFL Commissioner to be that of the guy who made the game safer and protected players. This is his chance to really enforce that view.
Too light of a penalty for a coach that's done it for several years while under multiple teams. Same goes for the Saints as someone that represents them lied about this when asked and basically wiped his ass with a mandate from the commissioner that it stops immediately. They are going to get hammered hard for racketeering.
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Mickey Loomis also apparently lied to the NFL while investigating, so I see him also getting punished directly.
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or how ballsy receivers are when they can get clothes-lined neck level at any point in their route. or when defensive lineman can headslap at will. etc.
You must be mistaking me for somebody else. I'm okay with those things.

I just don't think that players with modern, solid helmets should be intentionally diving at knees or heads just to get some tax-free bonus cash from a low-life coach.

Play mean, play dirty, even play to inflict pain; but don't be a psychopath.

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I just don't think that players with modern, solid helmets should be intentionally diving at knees or heads just to get some tax-free bonus cash from a low-life coach..
Is that you Louis?
Louis...... ?
It's just BS that Nick Collins has a guy jump over him, and nick him on the head, probably ending HIS career with the fluke neck injury, but Louie fuqing dives into knees to try and rip their ACL's, and his neck is fine.

One never hopes for a neck injury (well except the Saints I guess), but if someone's gonna get it, why can't it be the ****ers like Delmas.

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Oh, a Lion being dirty. What else is new.
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Is that you Louis?
Louis...... ?
It's just BS that Nick Collins has a guy jump over him, and nick him on the head, probably ending HIS career with the fluke neck injury, but Louie fuqing dives into knees to try and rip their ACL's, and his neck is fine.

One never hopes for a neck injury (well except the Saints I guess), but if someone's gonna get it, why can't it be the ****ers like Delmas.

Is there such a thing as Karma?
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Gotta say, between Greg Williams, the Lions with Schwartz, and the rep Chuck Cecil had as a player, and the fact the Titans had the most penalties of any NFL team in the previous decade, Jeff Fisher sure seems to represent a common theme.
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