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Old 03-08-2012, 09:37 AM    (permalink
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The race for Robert Griffin is heavily focused on Cleveland and Washington, but Tampa Bay and Jacksonville are two teams that should be thinking about trading up as well. Josh Freeman only has two more (lucrative) years on his contract and is coming off of a poor season; Greg Schiano has nothing invested in him as a new head coach. Blaine Gabbert already looks like a bust. The Jaguars should forget about what they've already invested in Gabbert and look at the current situation: Gabbert has three years left on his contract worth a grand total of just about $3.5 million. That's backup quarterback money, and should not prohibit the new coaching regime from pestering Gene Smith to trade up for Griffin. Mike Mularkey should be able to improve Gabbert to some extent, but new head coaches nowadays only have two or maybe three seasons to start winning before they get the axe.
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Well the owner has come out publicly and stated Gabbert is their QB moving forward so it doesn't appear they would be looking to trade up. Lets be honest, there's a chance they get #1 pick next year anyways and get their pick of QB's then. Tampa is already one of the youngest teams in the NFL, so they could see trading multiple picks for one player as a possibility, especially if they fall in love with RG3.
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Jacksonville definitely won't. They traded up for Gabbert last year. Obviously Gene Smith likes him. There is no way he gives up on him after just one season. Freeman, on the other hand, could be replaced. He hasn't really set the NFL on fire. And there is a new coach in there. He might want to get his guy in there. There could be an interesting trade three team trade. Tampa Bay could trade their first round pick to St. Louis. Cleveland could trade their second first round pick to St. Louis. And Tampa would trade Freeman to Cleveland. Cleveland gets Freeman for the 22nd pick, Tampa Bay gets RGIII, and St. Louis gets 4 and 22.
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I don't see either giving on there young QB's plus the draft picks to get another QB.
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Ahh the old 'vote of confidence' for Gabby. That means alot.

The Jags could do it. They've shown they're not afraid to move up. Personally, I think it would be smart to get beyond the mess that is Gabbert but dumb in the sense that they have consistently depleted there draft stock and that seems to be showing up in their overall talent level.

I'm not sure why everyone is so down on Freeman. They had a party boy coach chilling with the kids on the youngest squad in the league. Freeman will be fine. He's got everything required to be an elite QB except a situation that enforces responsibility and fosters maturity. With that in place, he will flourish again.


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i think it would be funniest if the rams said **** everyone and took RG3 themselves
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The Jaguars should but wont and the Bucs dont need to.
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This is exactly what they should do. RG3 is a lot better than Bradford IMO and they could trade Bradford for some decent picks too.
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There is zero shot the Bucs or Jags trade up..
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I'll never put it at 0, but I will put it at slim to none.

Especially for the Bucs, Freeman not as bad last year as the stats indicate
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I'll never put it at 0, but I will put it at slim to none.
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I don't think either makes the move. The Jaguars need to commit more than 1 season to Gabbert. He was such a high draft pick that their situation is a little bit different than the Panthers had with Jimmy Clausen.

I don't believe the Buccaneers would be willing to make the move either. Josh Freeman showed great potential in 2010. He took a step back this year and sometimes that happens. Schiano has said he was going to "wipe the slate clean" and start off new with Freeman.

They both have young, highly drafted QB's and honestly I don't think RG3 is a "can't miss" prospect that would be worth trading up for teams in their position.

If the Rams can't get the trade they want, I wonder if they would consider taking RG3 and holding him for ransom.
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The Jags should just bottom out with Gabbert again and take Tyler Bray next year.

I like RG3 and he's worthy of a top 5 pick. I don't think he's worthy of the bounty it will take to move up for him.
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Tampa Bay = zero chance

Jaguars = a slight chance although they don't have the picks to get by the Browns or Washington

For the Jaguars, it all comes down to how they feel Gabbert will develop, people think that coaches cannot tell without playing a player whether or not he will get better, but the truth is, coaches already have a pretty good idea of just how good Gabbert will become. Just because quite a few people on this site hate the guy doesn't mean squat, they aren't football coaches and are idiots sometimes rushing to judgment based on a rookie season production.

I don't know Gabbert's future but you can bet that the coaches already do. If they think he will not develop then going after a new QB is not out of the question. Sometimes a GM( Matt Millen/Harrington) will insist that his HC continue to play his picks, but most decent GM's aren't as stupid as Matt Millen.
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Jaguars = a slight chance although they don't have the picks to get by the Browns or Washington

For the Jaguars, it all comes down to how they feel Gabbert will develop, people think that coaches cannot tell without playing a player whether or not he will get better, but the truth is, coaches already have a pretty good idea of just how good Gabbert will become. Just because quite a few people on this site hate the guy doesn't mean squat, they aren't football coaches and are idiots sometimes rushing to judgment based on a rookie season production.

I don't know Gabbert's future but you can bet that the coaches already do. If they think he will not develop then going after a new QB is not out of the question. Sometimes a GM( Matt Millen/Harrington) will insist that his HC continue to play his picks, but most decent GM's aren't as stupid as Matt Millen.
It's funny that people think Gabbert-hate started with his terrible rookie season.

It started because he was a terrible QB prospect. You, McShay, Mayock, Casserly and others spouted that he was the top QB in the draft all throughout the process and he ended up being the 10th pick and 3rd QB selected (and likely would have fallen to the 12th pick if JAX had not traded in front of Minnesota).

His stock was never as high as the media led you to believe. A ton of QB-needy teams turned their nose up at him.

By far the most telling thing was Shanahan (who knows his QBs...not to mention, Gabbert's skillset it perfect for his offense) completely bailed out of the pick and decided he'd rather stick with his Grossman/Beck duo than be married to Gabbert.
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It's funny that people think Gabbert-hate started with his terrible rookie season.

It started because he was a terrible QB prospect. You, McShay, Mayock, Casserly and others spouted that he was the top QB in the draft all throughout the process and he ended up being the 10th pick and 3rd QB selected (and likely would have fallen to the 12th pick if JAX had not traded in front of Minnesota).

His stock was never as high as the media led you to believe. A ton of QB-needy teams turned their nose up at him.

By far the most telling thing was Shanahan (who knows his QBs...not to mention, Gabbert's skillset it perfect for his offense) completely bailed out of the pick and decided he'd rather stick with his Grossman/Beck duo than be married to Gabbert.
I agree with your point but I don't think Mike Shanahan is exactly a guru when it comes to talent evaluation.
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It's funny that people think Gabbert-hate started with his terrible rookie season.

It started because he was a terrible QB prospect. You, McShay, Mayock, Casserly and others spouted that he was the top QB in the draft all throughout the process and he ended up being the 10th pick and 3rd QB selected (and likely would have fallen to the 12th pick if JAX had not traded in front of Minnesota).

His stock was never as high as the media led you to believe. A ton of QB-needy teams turned their nose up at him.

By far the most telling thing was Shanahan (who knows his QBs...not to mention, Gabbert's skillset it perfect for his offense) completely bailed out of the pick and decided he'd rather stick with his Grossman/Beck duo than be married to Gabbert.
To me this is pure hate. The draft is the final answer to the question of how the NFL scouts and GM's viewed Gabbert, the youngest QB in the NFL by the way, and he went #10.

I never said he was a sure thing, all I'm saying is that the coaches at Jacksonville already have a good idea of his potential and if they believe in him, they won't be looking for his replacement, if they don't, they are definitely in the market for a new QB unless their GM is like Matt Millen, refusing to admit too quickly that he made a mistake.

I'd give you a list of great QB's who had miserable rookie seasons who went on to great careers but it is simply too long to state here but Eli comes quickly to mind and he entered the NFL as a senior QB not a raw junior like Gabbert.

A lot of people on this site love to rush to judgment, I just happen to be one who waits to see over 3 to 4 years before calling a guy especially a QB, a flop. Gabbert may well turnout to be a flop but I'm not ready to make that call just yet although I'm sure his coaches could make that call if questioned about just how good he can become.
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To me this is pure hate. The draft is the final answer to the question of how the NFL scouts and GM's viewed Gabbert, the youngest QB in the NFL by the way, and he went #10.

I never said he was a sure thing, all I'm saying is that the coaches at Jacksonville already have a good idea of his potential and if they believe in him, they won't be looking for his replacement, if they don't, they are definitely in the market for a new QB unless their GM is like Matt Millen, refusing to admit too quickly that he made a mistake.

I'd give you a list of great QB's who had miserable rookie seasons who went on to great careers but it is simply too long to state here but Eli comes quickly to mind and he entered the NFL as a senior QB not a raw junior like Gabbert.

A lot of people on this site love to rush to judgment, I just happen to be one who waits to see over 3 to 4 years before calling a guy especially a QB, a flop. Gabbert may well turnout to be a flop but I'm not ready to make that call just yet although I'm sure his coaches could make that call if questioned about just how good he can become.
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You said it perfectly about Gabbert, give the kid some time and maybe some players and a scheme that should be on the NFL level. He actually made some strides at the end of the year. It's so easy to call someone a bust or "scared to get hit" typing from their computer chair.
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I like Freeman and believe he simply had a down season like the rest of the Bucs.

As for Gabby, I think you give him at least 3 years before you kick him to the curb. The only thing IMO Gabbert lacks in large measure is courage in the pocket and experience. Maybe he never overcomes the confidence issue completely, but maybe he finds a way to compensate by making quicker reads, or the Jags OC rolls him out of the pocket more to blunt the pass rush.

Nonetheless, you can't dump the kid after one season.

Maybe when Gabbert realizes he's actually 6'4 and almost 240# and most of the time these blitzing DEs/LBs can't really hurt him(too much!!lol), he'll get his courage back.
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Tampa won't go there, Freeman has just as much upside as Griffin if not more.

Jags probably won't either. Should they? 50/50. You can't cast aside a first round pick after one year, but Gabbert just hasn't shown that natural "goodness" that you see in RG3. Forget arm, size, speed, all that, you need the natural instincts for the position over all that and that was always a big question with Gabbert.
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I think pretty much no chance for the Jags; leadership is so high on Gabbert. Not too sure why. I'm wondering how much time we give him though... still kinda blows my mind that we're super high on a guy like him yet we passed on a prospect such as Brady Quinn not too long ago (I know, he hasn't done anything to prove otherwise). I would love to see RG3 in Jax though!
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I wasn't high on Gabbert last year and wasn't pleased with Gene Smith taking him. However, having done so, I think they have to stick with him this year at least. Give him a couple of decent WR's to help and see where he is at the end of the year. If he's still struggling, then perhaps you start to look elsewhere.
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Bucs shouldn't... Jags should. You can't coach scariness out of a player, that's a natural instinct. I also wouldn't be surprised if the Vikings took RG3 at #3. Ponder just got injured again as I typed this
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