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Old 12-08-2011, 03:45 PM    (permalink
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First, let me say that I think he will be a good NFL wide receiver. The positives are obviously his strength and power. He runs clean patterns and attacks the ball in traffic.

His speed is not 4.48 like I have read from some. I would hazard a guess he's going to time somewhere around 4.6, slightly below average for the position. His hands are brutal. Bricks. He also loses focus quite often.

So while I think he will be good, I can tell you that any team who takes him in the top 10 will be making a mistake. He's very similar to Dwayne Bowe, with less speed than Bowe. Would you take Bowe in the top 10? I wouldn't. Late 1st, sure.

And Michael Floyd is a better prospect than him.
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His hands are brutal? Since when?
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I wouldn't say his hands are brutal, but he does have lapses in concentration and a bad habit of body catching on inside breaking routes.
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His hands are brutal? Since when?
Texas A&M game I saw at least 3 drops. And I usually don't whine as much as some fans do about drops, but it seems clear that he just does not have natural pass catching hands.
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I heard he likes to drop balls on the 1 yard line also
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I'll have to watch him at the combine to see if this bares out as a fact although brutal may be a bit harsh.
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His hands aren't "brutal" though I won't say he has Michael Crabtree or Anquan Boldin's hands despite being similar in other aspects to those two. Guys can always improve their hands greatly too....Jerry Rice's nickname as a rookie was Butterfingers, but he had an elite work ethic and became the standard for catching passes. If a guy has bad hands and is a diva with no work ethic it's a much bigger concern than if he has a great work ethic and needs to work on catching/concentration.
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First, let me say that I think he will be a good NFL wide receiver. The positives are obviously his strength and power. He runs clean patterns and attacks the ball in traffic.

His speed is not 4.48 like I have read from some. I would hazard a guess he's going to time somewhere around 4.6, slightly below average for the position. His hands are brutal. Bricks. He also loses focus quite often.

So while I think he will be good, I can tell you that any team who takes him in the top 10 will be making a mistake. He's very similar to Dwayne Bowe, with less speed than Bowe. Would you take Bowe in the top 10? I wouldn't. Late 1st, sure.

And Michael Floyd is a better prospect than him.
This is true from purely the on-field aspect of the game and most agree - but Floyd has character/off field issues that will cause Blackmon to be taken before him.

Bowe didn't produce like Blackmon in college and wasn't quite as quick with the ball in his hands.
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LoL the kid is going to be a young Terrell Owens w/o the vertical speed. T.O. never had elite hands, bobbled, let it get into his body sometimes, but would you pass on him? He is not very similar to Dwayne Bowe at all either.
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This is true from purely the on-field aspect of the game and most agree - but Floyd has character/off field issues that will cause Blackmon to be taken before him.

Bowe didn't produce like Blackmon in college and wasn't quite as quick with the ball in his hands.
This kid isn't exactly a saint either...believe he missed some time last year from a DUI which resulted in a suspension.

And also, Bowe played at LSU...not known for their passing attack. Blackmon plays in the spread where they throw it constantly.

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LoL the kid is going to be a young Terrell Owens w/o the vertical speed. T.O. never had elite hands, bobbled, let it get into his body sometimes, but would you pass on him? He is not very similar to Dwayne Bowe at all either.
You said it yourself. Owens in his prime, besides Randy Moss, was the most explosive receiver in football. We're talking 4.3 speed at 225 pounds with great agility. Damned rare. This kid is 6'1, 220? And runs a 4.6 without great hands? Not a top 10 talent. Just not.
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I think Blackmon is the best receiver prospect in this draft, but I also don't see any receivers in this draft who are worth top 10 picks. Were it not for the character issues, I would have Blackmon behind both Dez Bryant and Michael Crabtree coming out of college. Blackmon may well have his head screwed on a little better, though.
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This kid isn't exactly a saint either...believe he missed some time last year from a DUI which resulted in a suspension.

And also, Bowe played at LSU...not known for their passing attack. Blackmon plays in the spread where they throw it constantly.

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You said it yourself. Owens in his prime, besides Randy Moss, was the most explosive receiver in football. We're talking 4.3 speed at 225 pounds with great agility. Damned rare. This kid is 6'1, 220? And runs a 4.6 without great hands? Not a top 10 talent. Just not.
Actually, I believe Owens ran a 4.60 at his workout, nothing close to a 4.30. He became faster after getting to pro ball but I doubt he ever got to 4.30.
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I think Blackmon is the best receiver prospect in this draft, but I also don't see any receivers in this draft who are worth top 10 picks. Were it not for the character issues, I would have Blackmon behind both Dez Bryant and Michael Crabtree coming out of college. Blackmon may well have his head screwed on a little better, though.
Dez Bryant slipped on draft day for a strong reason. He doesn't understand route running and his football IQ is extremely low. Depending how fast a 40 Blackmon runs, will give us a far better idea of what his ceiling is? To be rated as high as he is, suggests to me that the scouts expect him to run in the 4.45-4.50 range, if he does, he certainly belongs in the top 10. If he is slower than 4.55, I doubt he is taken anywhere close to the top 10.
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Didn't Dez run a 4.6?
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The fact you think he runs a 4.6, along with some of your clueless comments in your original post shows to me that you have an agenda against Blackmon. The kid will run a 4.42-4.45 which is very good for a 220lb wide receiver. I'm not sure how anyone can watch his game and think he's a slow, possession WR. Laughable.

He may have lapses in concentration, but -- he makes a lot of tough grabs in traffic. Watch his game against Arizona this year where he catches two over the shoulder fades and catches about 3 slants in traffic while getting popped. Blackmon is a freaking stud and will go top 5.


Floyd is not better, either. If you're going to question his speed and ability to separate than watch Floyd when he plays any team with a pulse which is hard to say because he plays such an easy schedule. But, against USC he was absolutely shut out by a 5'8 CB.
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I'm not feeling all the love of Blackmon either, but this forum is very flip floppy and has a mob mentality. Jeffery was regarded like Calvin Johnson before the season started, and now he's a nobody.
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I'm just not feeling this WR class of "first round guys." Unless I have no other needs, I just don't want to take a WR in the first this year.

Pretty good depth starting at day 2 though.
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I like Floyd, Blackmon and Jeffery, and I'd gladly have them on my team. I just don't see Elite status from Blackmon, and he's closer to being 3rd on this list than he is to being Calvin Johnson or Fitzy.
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As for comparisons, I see him as Roddy White if he fully pans out... not TO, but damn damn good.
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The fact you think he runs a 4.6, along with some of your clueless comments in your original post shows to me that you have an agenda against Blackmon. The kid will run a 4.42-4.45 which is very good for a 220lb wide receiver. I'm not sure how anyone can watch his game and think he's a slow, possession WR. Laughable.

He may have lapses in concentration, but -- he makes a lot of tough grabs in traffic. Watch his game against Arizona this year where he catches two over the shoulder fades and catches about 3 slants in traffic while getting popped. Blackmon is a freaking stud and will go top 5.


Floyd is not better, either. If you're going to question his speed and ability to separate than watch Floyd when he plays any team with a pulse which is hard to say because he plays such an easy schedule. But, against USC he was absolutely shut out by a 5'8 CB.
Wes Bunting recently wrote a piece about Blackmon guessing he would time around 4.6, and after watching him play, I believe it. Blackmon creates separation because he's very technical and runs crisp patterns. He doesn not have 4.4 speed. That makes you the idiot.

And Floyd is a better player after the catch, better jump bal threat, better hands. He'd easily be my pick before Blackmon, especially considering Blackmon's stats are inflated due to okie's scheme.
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I'm in the camp that I believe Blackmon is a sub 4.5 runner. I wouldn't expect low 4.4s, but something between 4.46 and 4.51 is what I am expecting.

I will say though that I don't think he plays as fast as he will time.

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TACKLE is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.TACKLE is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.TACKLE is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.TACKLE is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.TACKLE is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.TACKLE is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.TACKLE is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.TACKLE is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.TACKLE is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.TACKLE is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.TACKLE is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.
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Yeah 4.50 give or take a couple hundredths seems right.
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