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Old 03-10-2012, 11:32 AM    (permalink
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I don't think that's really the case for a QB. Teams never really tried to get out of #1 with a QB on the board. It was always guys in 3-5 trying to trade down. Regardless moving up from 4 to 1 is suppose to be greater value than 6 to 2.

But the main difference would be if the Browns were a serious bidder. No one else was really trying to trade up for Eli.
Well the teams had different QBs as their top ones. After Luck and RG3 it drops. In our draft, we had Eli, Rivers, Ben, and then Loseman, and Matt S. So there were Qbs. Manning, Rivers, and Ben were ones that were very close depending on what team you talked to the list was different. In this draft Luck is the clear cut # 1, best QB.
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In comparison, the Bears got Jay Cutler for 2 firsts and a 3rd. And he was already a really good quarterback. And those 1st rounders weren't in the top 10.
Haha. That's a good one. :)
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I know people who have been talking about RG3 on these boards for like 3 years now. If he pans out then awesome & if he bust it's not like any of you guys are going to care. Being a Redskins fan is very tough so to actually see them do something to attempt to move forward is awesome. So just let us enjoy it for a bit before everybody comes out of left field telling us how stupid & idiotic our franchise is. And can we show a bit more maturity and not wish torn ligaments on the kid......honestly.
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I don't wanna jinx anything but uhhh what if sometime after the deal is made official by the league RG3 tears and ACL or suffers some other injury that puts him out for the year ? What do you do then Washington ?
Suck like usual?
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I....WHAT?!?!?

A trade isn't about what you lose. It's a swap. It's a comparison of relative value. You can't just act like one of those picks doesn't exist. The Redskins had the chance to draft 4 players with high picks, and traded all four of those chances to draft 1 player. If that 1 player is better than all 4 of those collectively, it's a good trade. If he's not, they gave up too much.

But that's the only way to look at this. You can't act like if they didn't make the trade, they wouldn't have also had a chance to draft someone else.
You're confusing me!

Well anyway, IMO it is a good trade because the 4 players they could of picked wont come close to giving the same sort of impact Robert Griffin will.
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Well anyway, IMO it is a good trade because the 4 players they could of picked wont come close to giving the same sort of impact Robert Griffin will.
Maybe, maybe not. You also have 3 chances in the first round over three years. Odds are even the Redskins can luck into a good player 1 out of 3 times.
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My guess is that they would still draft RGIII with a torn ACL. Or just fold up shop and cease to exist as a franchise.
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Awesome for the Skins,

The price makes me wonder what other teams were offering. At least I hope that Cleveland was offering something involving their two first rounders and maybe a 2nd next year if the skins gave up three 1sts and a 2nd.

This is good news for Flynn, teams have shown their hands early in a desperate attempt to grab RGIII, Manning will likely be the next domino to fall and Flynn will have a lot more leverage when he goes into contract negotiations.
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Maybe, maybe not. You also have 3 chances in the first round over three years. Odds are even the Redskins can luck into a good player 1 out of 3 times.
But they need a quarterback, not any other postion.

Say they get and elite receiver, very good cornerback and good offensive lineman. That would probably seen as a good 3 year span of first round picks. Those players would mean nothing if they dont have a QB.
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Which teams have elite quarterbacks and arent superbowl contenders?

Rodgers -yes
Brees - yes
Brady - yes
Mannning - yes
Manning - yes

Stafford - yes


So the Giants, and ummm..?
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But they need a quarterback, not any other postion.

Say they get and elite receiver, very good cornerback and good offensive lineman. That would probably seen as a good 3 year span of first round picks. Those players would mean nothing if they dont have a QB.
I agree. I just don't love RGIII as much as everyone else. Every year we see teams reach for QBs because they are desperate. Reaching by overdrafting is one thing. Give up a ton of picks and overdrafting is another. Recently the smartest teams in QB dealings has been Cinci, shocker. They showed patience and it worked out in a big way.
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I would also argue that Stafford isn't an elite QB, and that the only reason the Lions are a SB contender (well, I don't think they are, but could see the argument), is because Stafford has Calvin Johnson. Take out Calvin Johnson and Stafford is much closer to the Joe Flacco range of quarterbacks.

And you can't get RGIII a Calvin Johnson, because you don't have any picks.
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Yeah but how are they going to get those players now? It's not like this team knows how to draft well in the later rounds.
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What if he doesn't turn out to be a franchise QB? I'm still surprised there seems to be so much certainty that RGIII will be great. It just always worries me when QBs fly up the boards like he did. Rarely do those guys ever end up being the goods. Was anyone talking about RGIII before the season began.
You can say that about any qb that's drafted though. If you believe in him, you gotta roll the dice. The Skins think he's going to be a franchise qb so they made a move for him.

Will he become one? Who knows. But they feel he will, so they went for it.

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I for one, cannot wait to see RG3 vs Vick for the next few years. THAT will be fun to watch
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I would also argue that Stafford isn't an elite QB, and that the only reason the Lions are a SB contender (well, I don't think they are, but could see the argument), is because Stafford has Calvin Johnson. Take out Calvin Johnson and Stafford is much closer to the Joe Flacco range of quarterbacks.

And you can't get RGIII a Calvin Johnson, because you don't have any picks.
Hmmm, I think that's a bit unfair to Stafford. He's a great qb. Is he top 5 like I'm seeing on this board by some posters? No way. That's jumping the gun. I think he has potential to be top 5, but he's not there yet.

He's in the 2nd tier of qbs to me. I'd say him and Rivers are the 2 best ringless qbs in the league. Cutler could throw his hat in that mix as well.
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Great trade for the Rams if they don't blow the picks and Bradford doesn't stay mediocre...

Washington paid a lot and it is still great if Griffin becomes a top guy and they can fill some holes in free agency with a better approach at getting value than in the past.

Cleveland will soon be entering their fifth decade of rebuilding.
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I would also argue that Stafford isn't an elite QB, and that the only reason the Lions are a SB contender (well, I don't think they are, but could see the argument), is because Stafford has Calvin Johnson. Take out Calvin Johnson and Stafford is much closer to the Joe Flacco range of quarterbacks.

And you can't get RGIII a Calvin Johnson, because you don't have any picks.
This has to be the most ridiculous statement I hav ever heard coming from you. Gee, Johnson and Kitna = zero wins, yeah 0-16 and he threw for over 4000 yards.

Gee, Stafford threw 24 TD's to other receivers besides Johnson but he isn't elite. I tell you I cannot stop laughing.
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This has to be the most ridiculous statement I hav ever heard coming from you. Gee, Johnson and Kitna = zero wins, yeah 0-16 and he threw for over 4000 yards.

Gee, Stafford threw 24 TD's to other receivers besides Johnson but he isn't elite. I tell you I cannot stop laughing.
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I think Stafford could be better too. I'm not sure how serious and dedicated he is. He certainly could be in much better shape.
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I would also argue that Stafford isn't an elite QB, and that the only reason the Lions are a SB contender (well, I don't think they are, but could see the argument), is because Stafford has Calvin Johnson. Take out Calvin Johnson and Stafford is much closer to the Joe Flacco range of quarterbacks.

And you can't get RGIII a Calvin Johnson, because you don't have any picks.
So theres not another 6'5 WR who runs a sub 4.5 40 with leaping ability who has had 3 1000 yard seasons on the market?

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I for one, cannot wait to see RG3 vs Vick for the next few years. THAT will be fun to watch
Holy ****! I hadnt prepared myself for that. **** me that will be epic!
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Typical jealous Bears fan
Meh, not really. Classifying a QB as elite implies he's at least top 5 (more likely top 3 in my eyes). Would you put Stafford top 3-5 range already?
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Whichever team he goes to lol.
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