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Old 03-12-2012, 03:51 PM    (permalink
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Don't understand why they would. He's cheaper financially at #2 then going after Flynn or Manning in FA.

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Also, the agreement between the union and the NFL occurred Saturday, which, of course, was after the #Redskins-Rams trade
They would because I want RG3.
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But they might no be able to fill all their other whole via free agency. Which I assume they were going to do because of losing all those picks.
They still have 6 picks in this draft and will still have more cap space than most of the league even IF they have to split the fine 50/50 over the next two years.
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Can the Redskins back out of their trade with the Rams? I doubt they would I'm just hopeful being a Browns fan.
Yes they could.
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I don't know if it has been posted, but the Redskins are losing 36 million compared to the Cowboys 10. Also, Jerry Jones said they knew this was coming and have planned accordingly.
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Chicago avoided this? LMFAO.

The Bears didnt appear to listen either but are not being penalized.

Julius Pepper’s cap hits by year:

2010: 34.9; 2011: 13.8; 2012: 11.3; 2013: 15.3; 2014: 16.3; 2015: 18.8
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Did the punishment fit the crime or is it just a slap on the wrist making the cap adjustments worth it?
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http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com...-a-salary-cap/
This report is from nearly 2 years ago. All teams dumped salaries during the uncapped year. But the Redskins and Cowboys were nearly 50 million over the presumed cap number. Thats why the league was so harsh on them.
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I think its more that they just went so far over what would have been a cap. Loading contracts in certain years is nothing new. Teams will still do it now depending on their cap situation. The Redskins and Cowboys were at 170 mil.. the cap this year is 120. So 50 million over that year basically. They wouldn't have been able to do contracts like that if there would have been a cap. All other teams were at like 130 million so even if they loaded contracts they likely could have made it under a cap if there would have been one.
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http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com...cap-sanctions/

Ohh so the NFL and NFLPA knew about this long in advance and just now were able to come to an agreement. That is why the salary cap # took so long to be disclosed.
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They have all the power of a flea. They came away from that farce of a lockout with few victories and the NFL is as strong as ever.
I would disagree with you about the CBA situation, but then I see this on PFT:

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com...cap-sanctions/

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Only way I will feel better is if we cut Terrance Newman. Like yesterday. I think we can still manage to make a serious offer to Carr but that'll be about it.
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Only way I will feel better is if we cut Terrance Newman. Like yesterday. I think we can still manage to make a serious offer to Carr but that'll be about it.
How has that not happened yet? He was terrible last year.
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How has that not happened yet? He was terrible last year.
The fact that Alan Ball was not only on the roster, but getting legitimate playing time should show you just how low of standards the Cowboys have for their DBs.
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T-New saves more money by being released later. 'Boys can make a ton of moves and get cap space and they knew this was coming.

In short:

Cut T-New: 4mil for now or 6 mil for later

Restructure Dez (done), Ware, Scandrick, and Free: 13 mil in savings

Cut Coleman: 1.9mil

Cut Buehler....Buehler...Buehler...:1.26 mil

That's not including any number of moves they could make. That's an easy 21+mil along with the rumored ~4mil they had. With the massive inflation of TV revenue the cap number is going to soar next year.

tl;dr: The Cowboys were ready for this and are still in position to spend a great deal this offseason even with a ton of dead money. Next season when the cap will skyrocket and all dead money will be off the books the penalty can apply in full with little hassle.
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The fact that Alan Ball was not only on the roster, but getting legitimate playing time should show you just how low of standards the Cowboys have for their DBs.
Didn't they give Newman MORE money after losing out on Aso or something?
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The fact that Alan Ball was not only on the roster, but getting legitimate playing time should show you just how low of standards the Cowboys have for their DBs.
Ahh yes, good ol trustworthy Alan Ball. Then to compound matters we went out and signed Frank Walker, the Ravens version of Alan Ball. Lollzz. We have two DB's on the roster, Scandrick and Jenkins. That's how bad our DB's are right now. Neither of those guys are #1 CB's, or can stay healthy.


I can't lie it was pretty amusing trotting out Alan Ball in Nickle and Dime formations, I'd look at my girlfriend and go "hey there go's Alan Ball #20, watch whoever he covers they will throw it to". Simple stuff. Yet we thought it was smart to put him out there for years even though he has no clue wtf is going on as soon as the QB releases the ball.




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How has that not happened yet? He was terrible last year.
He's been terrible long before last year, but this past season was just sad. He still has some good instincts and can make plays on the ball in the air but his long speed is completely gone, completely. Astounding how a guy like Darrell Green can still run a 4.3 or whatever going into his 40's but a track guy like Newman can be so slow now. There is no reason he should be a starting CB anymore but he will somewhere based off of reputation.
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All the legal arguments are on the SKins and Cowboys' side.

The league approved the Dallas/Washington contracts during the uncapped year, so how can those contracts retroactively be in violation of a rule that didn't exist?(uncapped year).

This was an attempt by the owners IMO to circumvent the poison pill of an uncapped season if a new CBA wasn't signed in time, by colluding that all 32 teams agree to act as if there WAS a CBA, just to screw the NFLPA.

Jerruh is no punk. And Danny Boy thinks he's Tony Stark.

There could be an injunction filed to prevent the start of the new league year and FA, and if this case goes to court Goodell is going DOWN.

You can't break rules before the rule is written. No CBA. An uncapped year. Therefore the NFL can't tell you how to structure contracts or whether or not to dump salaries.

THat Chicago and GB did the exact same thing tells me the NFL would get raped if this case is litigated before a judge and jury.

Watch, if the start of the new league year isn't suspended until this is resolved, I expect this case to go to court with the eventual outcome being a victory for Dallas and Washington.

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All the legal arguments are on the SKins and Cowboys' side.

The league approved the Dallas/Washington contracts during the uncapped year, so how can those contracts retroactively be in violation of a rule that didn't exist?(uncapped year).

This was an attempt by the owners IMO to circumvent the poison pill of an uncapped season if a new CBA wasn't signed in time, by colluding that all 32 teams agree to act as if there WAS a CBA, just to screw the NFLPA.

Jerruh is no punk. And Danny Boy thinks he's Tony Stark.

There could be an injunction filed to prevent the start of the new league year and FA, and if this case goes to court Goodell is going DOWN.

You can't break rules before the rule is written. No CBA. An uncapped year. Therefore the NFL can't tell you how to structure contracts or whether or not to dump salaries.

THat Chicago and GB did the exact same thing tells me the NFL would get raped if this case is litigated before a judge and jury.

Watch, if the start of the new league year isn't suspended until this is resolved, I expect this case to go to court with the eventual outcome being a victory for Dallas and Washington.

Compensation will be draft picks.
Are you basing this on extensive legal knowledge?
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I bet you think the Saints should go to court too, yes?

Haha...ahhhhhhh, homers.
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He's more like the guy that knows Tony Stark's biography by heart.
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Are you basing this on extensive legal knowledge?
I'm basically regurgitating arguments made on my home board about this cluster **** from Goodell and the league owners.

Someone is going to be eating sh!t when this whole situation is resolved, just don't be so sure it's going to be the Skins/Dallas.

The league has NO legal standing in this case at all.
That's why the NFLPA put an uncapped year in the old CBA if a new deal wasn't signed in time.

This is going to get UGLY.



AKA Jerry Jones and Dan Snyder.

Roger Goodell has unleashed the Dark Side of the force.
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Honestly, I think it's a bunch of horseshit that the league is trying to pull this off after the fact.
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If the league approved the contracts then I don't understand how they have a leg to stand on.
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If the league approved the contracts then I don't understand how they have a leg to stand on.


The league would have far more legal resources than any individual owner. The league is set up as a partnership and the owners have agreed that the Commissioner has certain rights to dole out fines, etc. It is a majority rules environment and i don't think it is really subject to the legal system. This is not 32 separate corporations dealing with each other and able to sue each other based on all things being written in stone. If the other owners are behind the Commissioner on this, these two owners are hooped.
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