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Old 03-21-2012, 02:32 PM    (permalink
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How can you determine a fair punishment when you weren't around long enough to even know about prior punishments?

If anything, the team as a whole got off pretty easy (draft pick wise, and we got 0 salary cap penalties, which shocks me), and Payton got screwed the hardest.
He is the coach, it was his job to ensure that rules that keep things like this don't happen. Is it tough on us? Yes, it is. Will he likely appeal? Of course, but what can he say in his defense if it turns out that he was specifically made aware of the issue and he turned a blind eye?
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What exactly does Brees not understand? If he had been one of the QB's targeted he would have been screaming to high heaven that the suspensions were quite suitable.
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Warren Sapp said on Twitter that Jeremy Shockey is the whistle blower.
If true, I finally have some respect for him. He finally did the right thing.
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Warren Sapp said on Twitter that Jeremy Shockey is the whistle blower.
That wouldn't surprise me at all.
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Think about it. The two 2nds equate to a 1st in the commissioner's eyes. The fine is the same as well. That shows me that there was equal punishment for what is looked at as cheating or unfair play. What the huge suspensions are for is poor choices from the leadership in that they knew about it and failed to stop it outright.
Fair would have been suspending Belicheat for a season and Romeo Crennel indefinitely. But you know Goodell can't suspend his butt buddy.
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Meh the Shockey thing has already been debunked. I will no longer quote Warren Sapp.
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Got off easy. Taking away all their draft picks would've been worse.
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There is a difference between the Patriots and Saints.

The Patriots did something that there was no league mechanism to control.

The Saints were performing legal/illegal hits during a game. If they were illegal, penalized them in the game. If they were excessive, eject players. Clearly this is about more than just a few hits in a game, but to sell the idea to the fans they show the Favre tape over and over and over.
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Justice served.
I called for very harsh penalties for these coaches, and Goodell delivered.
Very proud of him.

Now, we'll see if the NFLPA has the same steel ballz when it comes to punishing their players, who were out to hurt their other players.

Interesting thing is there are still some naive fans who think the game is soft out there compared to yesteryear.

These guys are bigger and faster, and they don't just tackle these days. They constantly go for the jacked-up, knockout hits.
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Am I the only one who doesn't think this punishment is that bad?
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Hey who is expecting a new thread from J-Mike about the Packers not getting Tebow and the implacations of Payton suspended to the Packers?
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Am I the only one who doesn't think this punishment is that bad?
It's bad against Sean Payton, but I think the Saints overall got off pretty easy. A 2nd this year and a 2nd next year (I fully expected at least their 1st next year) plus a slap on the wrist fine.

But the Payton suspension is actually worse than I expected.
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I'm surprised no cap penalties.
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It's bad against Sean Payton, but I think the Saints overall got off pretty easy. A 2nd this year and a 2nd next year (I fully expected at least their 1st next year) plus a slap on the wrist fine.

But the Payton suspension is actually worse than I expected.

Yeah, that's what I was more referring too. And anyone who doesn't think Payton's still going to have some serious pull on that team is wrong.
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Cap penalties typically only happen for cap violations since a cap penalty as a punishment for something else would probably piss off the players union. (Less money to spend on the players.)
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I figured the whistle blower to be a defensive player. But it makes sense, an underachieving crybaby.

Funny too! He was so universally loved here.
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There is a difference between the Patriots and Saints.

The Patriots did something that there was no league mechanism to control.
Except those stupid rules which always get in the way. Well, unless you are the Patriots.
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No, the Saints were performing legal hits. They were breaking the rules having players get paid for them.

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Cap penalties typically only happen for cap violations since a cap penalty as a punishment for something else would probably piss off the players union. (Less money to spend on the players.)
Paying out money= cap violation, no?

I'm really surprised at HOW the punishment was doled out. Figured Loomis would get hit harder than Payton, and we'd lose more draft picks than coaches!
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They got paid extra outside of their contract for plays on the field. I thought all over ESPN and NFLN they were mentioning this had cap implications.

Yes, the NFLPA would be pissed, but they could take that money and redistribute it.
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It's bad against Sean Payton, but I think the Saints overall got off pretty easy. A 2nd this year and a 2nd next year (I fully expected at least their 1st next year) plus a slap on the wrist fine.

But the Payton suspension is actually worse than I expected.
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It might not amount to enough to trigger cap penalties then. 10k here, 5k there...meh. Not much when a league minimum salary is still several hundred thousand dollars.

OR, it could be they were already penalized. Remember when the Redskins and Cowboys had cap space taken away, it was redistributed to every team but the Saints and Raiders. I don't know what the Raiders did, but that could be the Saint share right there.
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The Nfl just hates the Raiders cuz we're the Raiders lol
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Hey who is expecting a new thread from J-Mike about the Packers not getting Tebow and the implacations of Payton suspended to the Packers?
By this do you mean make a thread about Tebow to the Jets, only to one paragraph later somehow bring up the packers? Because if so then yes.

Also hard to imagine Brees resigning now. Saints really should of just spent the money when they had the chance before this all went down. Idiots.
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There's a difference between cheating on your test and getting paid to injure your teacher; I don't see how people can even compare the two. There's no career-ending potential from what the Pats did.
Getting paid to injure players legally. Immoral? Yes. Illegal? No. Ray Lewis tries to knock everyone out of every game. He wants to hurt you. It's ok because he does it for his base salary?
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