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Old 03-28-2012, 10:45 PM    (permalink
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At least the Browns have a defense. You could be the Jags...
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I had a dream once that I was being chased through a tropical jungle paradise by a bright blue 20 story tall Chewbacca. Mine has a better chance of coming true than yours.


Back in '92, my father made me a $100 bet that the Lions would win a Super Bowl by 2000. Here we are....2012. Patience young padawan.
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The tragedy, here, is the "Art Model moves team to Baltimore; team wins a Super Bowl a few years later as the Ravens" backstory.

That had to sting...

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isnt this the same guy that did the Cleveland Tourist video? it sounded like the same singing in the cat video.

edit: i found them. they're pretty funny too





lol, at least we're not Detroit!
I didn't notice that, but it is the same guy. He has made some funny ass videos.
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It is really sad being a Brown's fan at this time, it could be years before we see any improvement.
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After one of their many obliterations of the Browns, a Steelers fan friend of mine posted about how "no matter what the Steelers ever do, he's confident that they'll at least always be better than the Browns."

He, of course, got several likes and other Steelers fans piled on...then I stepped up.

"If the Lions can actually turn things around, the Browns will one day too."

I was, of course, mocked and they reiterated how bad the Browns are to me.

Someday the Browns will prove me right. Not anytime soon, mind you, but someday. Some...day....
I really hope not. **** Cleveland.
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Like I would accept a filthy, Cleveland area duck...
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His rant on the Browns.

Here is a couple of his other videos...





Do yourself a favor and search Mike Polk on Youtube.
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I haven't watched a ton of Osweiler, but if the Browns took Richardson at 4 and then got Osweiler some time later, I would feel optimistic for them. They could give McCoy another year and Osweiler could sit and learn. Richardson adds a potential elite NFL RB to a franchise that needs something to generate excitement and positive momentum.
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Browns need to stop passing on, well, elite caliber guys. It just seems to me, that last year, they had a perfect opportunity to draft Julio Jones, but passed on him for a trade and ended up with Phil Taylor and WR Greg Little with those picks. To me, that's awful. Even though Taylor was solid, they passed on what could have been an elite prospect.


They missed out on the Robert Baylor trade , but I give them the credit for attempting. However, if they take Tanehill at 4 just to take a QB, then this team will be set back. As a Buc fan, I hope they make that mistake so we can take Richardson. But the easy choice and get an elite player is to take Richardson. If they don't do that, it'll make me think they're trying to lose or something.
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Robert Baylor.
Heh. Seems legit.
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Browns need to stop passing on, well, elite caliber guys. It just seems to me, that last year, they had a perfect opportunity to draft Julio Jones, but passed on him for a trade and ended up with Phil Taylor and WR Greg Little with those picks. To me, that's awful. Even though Taylor was solid, they passed on what could have been an elite prospect.


They missed out on the Robert Baylor trade , but I give them the credit for attempting. However, if they take Tanehill at 4 just to take a QB, then this team will be set back. As a Buc fan, I hope they make that mistake so we can take Richardson. But the easy choice and get an elite player is to take Richardson. If they don't do that, it'll make me think they're trying to lose or something.
This FO has traded away from "elite" talent one time.

In the first year they drafted Joe Haden. In the second year they traded down.

People need to stop acting like this FO is the same one that traded away from Mark Sanchez and drafted Alex Mack instead.

Also, I doubt Julio would have been the difference last year. We are a bad team, but now we'll have Phil Taylor, Greg Little, Owen Marecic, #22, and #118.
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He, of course, got several likes and other Steelers fans piled on...then I stepped up.

"If the Lions can actually turn things around, the Browns will one day too."

I was, of course, mocked and they reiterated how bad the Browns are to me.

Someday the Browns will prove me right. Not anytime soon, mind you, but someday. Some...day....
It'll happen evertually when they stumble upon a good QB. But as long as that fan base tries to convince me that guys like Charlie Frye and Colt McCoy are the QBs of the future they will suck.

Just look at how many top 10 picks they've had without taking a QB. They've always accepted whatever young, mediocre to below average arm they've had there as the future. All the while passing on guys that have come to lead teams to the playoffs.
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This FO has traded away from "elite" talent one time.

In the first year they drafted Joe Haden. In the second year they traded down.

People need to stop acting like this FO is the same one that traded away from Mark Sanchez and drafted Alex Mack instead.

Also, I doubt Julio would have been the difference last year. We are a bad team, but now we'll have Phil Taylor, Greg Little, Owen Marecic, #22, and #118.
I don't think they traded away from talent, hell id rather have Mack than Sanchez, they have always seemed to pass on a QB to get another player.

In 2004 the took a TE over a potential franchise QB from Ohio in Roethlisberger.
2005 took an amazing WR prospect over a potential franchise QB in Rodgers who many thought should have gone #1.
2007 they again picked the position player, but then went back and got Quinn. Applaud them for finally trying, but that didn't work out either.
2008 was basically spent on Quinn.
2009 they traded out of the ability to get Sanchez or Freeman for a position player.
2010 they had no shot, only Bradford had a first round grade.
2011 They traded down, again I agree with the move.

Basically the only two a fault them for are Ben and Rodgers. They did make the pick of Quinn in 07 and it didn't work out, but I won't blame them for finally trying. In 09, 10, and 11 I don't think there were QBs worth taking that they could have gotten so I don't blame there there either.

Just seems to be some unfortunate positioning in the draft lately where they havn't had a shot at an elite QB without trading up. And its hard to trade up on a team that has so many holes. And that trend seems to be happening again as I don't look at Tannehill as the savior either.
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I don't think they traded away from talent, hell id rather have Mack than Sanchez, they have always seemed to pass on a QB to get another player.

In 2004 the took a TE over a potential franchise QB from Ohio in Roethlisberger.
2005 took an amazing WR prospect over a potential franchise QB in Rodgers who many thought should have gone #1.
2007 they again picked the position player, but then went back and got Quinn. Applaud them for finally trying, but that didn't work out either.
2008 was basically spent on Quinn.
2009 they traded out of the ability to get Sanchez or Freeman for a position player.
2010 they had no shot, only Bradford had a first round grade.
2011 They traded down, again I agree with the move.

Basically the only two a fault them for are Ben and Rodgers. They did make the pick of Quinn in 07 and it didn't work out, but I won't blame them for finally trying. In 09, 10, and 11 I don't think there were QBs worth taking that they could have gotten so I don't blame there there either.

Just seems to be some unfortunate positioning in the draft lately where they havn't had a shot at an elite QB without trading up. And its hard to trade up on a team that has so many holes. And that trend seems to be happening again as I don't look at Tannehill as the savior either.
This sounds good until you look at this draft. They were in a far better position than Washington to trade up for RG111 and simply missed the boat by low balling St. Louis. Also, if Sanchez has a solid year, the trade for Mack will look ridiculous.
Excuses simply don't cut it in the NFL, the solid teams with good management personnel, find a way to get the job done. Cleveland finds a way to blow it every year.
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This sounds good until you look at this draft. They were in a far better position than Washington to trade up for RG111 and simply missed the boat by low balling St. Louis. Also, if Sanchez has a solid year, the trade for Mack will look ridiculous.
Excuses simply don't cut it in the NFL, the solid teams with good management personnel, find a way to get the job done. Cleveland finds a way to blow it every year.
Remember that they also traded down again, and Tampa used that pick on Josh Freeman.

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I don't think they traded away from talent, hell id rather have Mack than Sanchez, they have always seemed to pass on a QB to get another player.

In 2004 the took a TE over a potential franchise QB from Ohio in Roethlisberger.
2005 took an amazing WR prospect over a potential franchise QB in Rodgers who many thought should have gone #1.
2007 they again picked the position player, but then went back and got Quinn. Applaud them for finally trying, but that didn't work out either.
2008 was basically spent on Quinn.
2009 they traded out of the ability to get Sanchez or Freeman for a position player.
2010 they had no shot, only Bradford had a first round grade.
2011 They traded down, again I agree with the move.

Basically the only two a fault them for are Ben and Rodgers. They did make the pick of Quinn in 07 and it didn't work out, but I won't blame them for finally trying. In 09, 10, and 11 I don't think there were QBs worth taking that they could have gotten so I don't blame there there either.

Just seems to be some unfortunate positioning in the draft lately where they havn't had a shot at an elite QB without trading up. And its hard to trade up on a team that has so many holes. And that trend seems to be happening again as I don't look at Tannehill as the savior either.
I think that's a fair analysis of recent draft history, my only argument would be that only 2010 and 2011 where under the watch of the current front office of Holmgren and Heckert.

Looking back on it, some bad decisions were definitely made, but those were under the watch of other guys like Phil Savage, and shouldn't be attributed to what is happening now.

I have infinitely more faith in Heckert than any other GM since the team returned.
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This sounds good until you look at this draft. They were in a far better position than Washington to trade up for RG111 and simply missed the boat by low balling St. Louis. Also, if Sanchez has a solid year, the trade for Mack will look ridiculous.
Excuses simply don't cut it in the NFL, the solid teams with good management personnel, find a way to get the job done. Cleveland finds a way to blow it every year.
They didn't low ball St. Louis, Washington just high balled them (or whatever the opposite would be).

We'll see how it plays out, but RG3 hasn't proven anything yet. Just because everyone seems to think he can't miss doesn't mean it's true. He could turn out just average for whatever reason, and the three first round picks we keep because we didn't make the deal could be future HoF's. Nobody knows.

You've harped on the Sanchez/Mack thing forever, just let it go. It was a different front office then.

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This sounds good until you look at this draft. They were in a far better position than Washington to trade up for RG111 and simply missed the boat by low balling St. Louis. Also, if Sanchez has a solid year, the trade for Mack will look ridiculous.
Excuses simply don't cut it in the NFL, the solid teams with good management personnel, find a way to get the job done. Cleveland finds a way to blow it every year.
Sanchez blows and will never win a super bowl with his talent (Jets d would have to carry him hard). That trade with the Jets was bad because we got a bunch of washed up pieces of **** and a second rounder who we used on David ******* Veikune... Mack is good though and is a better center than Sanchez is a QB, I would rather not have to wait for Sanchez to ultimately fail.
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This thread is causing me consider jumping off my balcony.

As a Browns fan the word win does not register in my mind.
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This sounds good until you look at this draft. They were in a far better position than Washington to trade up for RG111 and simply missed the boat by low balling St. Louis. Also, if Sanchez has a solid year, the trade for Mack will look ridiculous.
Excuses simply don't cut it in the NFL, the solid teams with good management personnel, find a way to get the job done. Cleveland finds a way to blow it every year.
Sanchez would need to have more than a solid year for them to regret taking him at 5. He needs to be a top 10 QB before they regret that decision. To me, that was the smartest thing they did and in Sanchez's first 3 seasons, last year, 2011, was his best. Not saying much from a guy who started day 1.
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I haven't watched a ton of Osweiler, but if the Browns took Richardson at 4 and then got Osweiler some time later, I would feel optimistic for them. They could give McCoy another year and Osweiler could sit and learn. Richardson adds a potential elite NFL RB to a franchise that needs something to generate excitement and positive momentum.
Even then they are still lacking talent at the WR position by quite a bit...
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I cannot fault the Browns for taking Braylon Edwards and Joe Thomas, those were two top five picks that made sense at time and for the future. The Sanchez trade had on Cloud 9 until I realized that they did not get a future first but instead got a bunch of backups that Mangini thought would work out.

This year they cannot afford to lose out on Claiborne, Richardson, Kalil or Blackmon (and obviously Griffin or Luck, but that's not going to happen). They need the overall talent of these guys. Here is the case on all four of these players.

Claiborne - Would provide an amazing cover corner. He and Haden would compliment each other well. Haden plays like a ball hawk and Claiborne (eventually) would erase the top receiver.

Richardson - He would give the Browns a Pro Bowl caliber, bowling ball of a Running Back. Hardesty and Richardson would provide a physical running brand to help the Browns out in November and December.

Kalil - A Blue Chip Offensive Tackle that would be awesome opposite of Thomas. I admit this is awfully high to draft a person who would basically be a RT, but you cannot pass up talent like this, especially to pair with Thomas and Mack.

Blackmon - While I am not very high on Blackmon as a true gamebreaker, I do believe his skillset fits into the offense very well. Would be great on screens, slants, and jump balls. He and Little would provide a very physical brand of WR play.

These four players pair very well with what the Browns currently have on the roster, and they all fill holes.

We all know that the Browns will somehow screw this up. It has happened way too often. They will probably trade down to accumulate picks and then pick up Tannehill. This is why it sucks being a Browns fan, they always try to outsmart the draft and Free Agency like the great teams do (Packers, Eagles, Steelers and Patriots), but those teams have Elite Talent.
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