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Old 03-28-2012, 09:08 PM    (permalink
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Hi Draft gurus!

Saints fan here. Obviously with all the crap going on, we dont pick until the 3rd round. 2nd round got taken away and we traded away our 1st.

I haven't followed the draft much this year with all this Bounty gate stuff going on, so who do you guys think will be available in the 3rd...I know thats pretty hard to project.

Think Cam Johnson will still be there?
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Funny you say that, I am controlling the Saints in a big mock and actually just took Cam Johnson in the 3rd.
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Cam is way underrated. Based on his on field performance, he should go at least R2, but he'll probably fall to the third for reasons I don't really understand.

Actually, everyone from 13-16 in Scott's DE rankings would be nice fits for the Saints in R3 http://www.draftcountdown.com/Rankings/DE.php
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jake bequette might be there but teams should be looking to get him in the second
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Tyrone Crawford DE, from Boise State, Brandon Lindsey OLB Pitt, or Kyle Wilber OLB from Wake Forest wouldnt be bad choices in the 3rd for a pass rusher
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jake bequette might be there but teams should be looking to get him in the second
The 2nd what? 2nd half of the draft?
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Maybe Bruce Irvin if he drops from the 2nd round.
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I would be surprised if Shea McClellin, Cam Johnson, Jake Bequette and all those guys people are talking about being 2nd rounders ALL end up actually going in the 2nd round.....at least one will slip into the 3rd. I think Johnson should be a mid 2nd, but there are guys who will go before him so he will probably be a bargain for some team.

There are a lot of DEs in this class who grade out as late first rounders and second rounders (unfortunatly, this includes some of top DEs like Ingram and Upshaw too who will be drafted higher than they should b/c of the lack of elite DEs this year).
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There may be a few good ones left...

Bruce Irvin is only a specialist, but he could end up as a great pass rusher, would be a great pick for GB's scheme in the 2nd/3rd

Cam Johnson is a really talented player, but injury history and lack of production may do him wrong and cause him to drop. He's more potential than anything...

Jonathan Massaquoi is once again, a TON of potential but has yet to really put it all togather. Might not look good for a while.
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jake bequette might be there but teams should be looking to get him in the second
I agree with you I think Bequette will be gone way earlier than people expect. Lots of tools and production against top competition.
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Cam is way underrated. Based on his on field performance, he should go at least R2, but he'll probably fall to the third for reasons I don't really understand.
Cam Johnson will not make it out of the second round. He's a prototypical Bill Belichick DE/OLB.

Unless there is some major flag, I would list him as a very solid 2nd rounder.
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First things first, these are the pass rushers who will likely be drafted in the first two rounds:

Quinton Coples (1)
Melvin Ingram (1)
Whitney Mercilus (1)
Courtney Upshaw (1)
Andre Branch (1-2)
Jared Crick (1-2)
Vinny Curry (2)
Chandler Jones (2)
Shea McClellin (2)

The top two options who may be available in the third round would be Bruce Irvin and Cam Johnson. Irvin's ceiling may actually be higher than any other prospect based purely on pass-rush skills but his repeated run-ins with the law could cause him to fall to the third round. Cam Johnson will probably go in the second but was never a truly dominant pass rusher in college so he may be available a little bit later.

After those two, Jonathan Massaquoi is an intriguing option who played at a small school and did not test well but plays with much more explosion than he showed at the Combine. The question with Massaquoi is whether or not the competition accentuated his athletic ability.

Two players who will probably be mentioned a lot here are Jake Bequette from Arkansas and Ronnell Lewis from Oklahoma. Bequette has trouble locating the ball, terrible balance, is incredibly stiff, and relies heavily on his bull rush; anyone who drafts him that high will likely be disappointed. Lewis will face various questions regarding his character (repeated academic issues are a concern) and may even translate better to 4-3 OLB or 3-4 ILB.

Malik Jackson, Jacquies Smith, and Kyle Wilber would be the most likely guys aside from anyone previously mentioned.
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There are reasons why Bequette won't go incredibly early but teams will not ignore a 10 sack season in the SEC who has physical talent. He tested really well and I am pretty sure he had good times in the agility drills.
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First things first, these are the pass rushers who will likely be drafted in the first two rounds:

Quinton Coples (1)
Melvin Ingram (1)
Whitney Mercilus (1)
Courtney Upshaw (1)
Andre Branch (1-2)
Jared Crick (1-2)
Vinny Curry (2)
Chandler Jones (2)
Shea McClellin (2)

The top two options who may be available in the third round would be Bruce Irvin and Cam Johnson. Irvin's ceiling may actually be higher than any other prospect based purely on pass-rush skills but his repeated run-ins with the law could cause him to fall to the third round. Cam Johnson will probably go in the second but was never a truly dominant pass rusher in college so he may be available a little bit later.

After those two, Jonathan Massaquoi is an intriguing option who played at a small school and did not test well but plays with much more explosion than he showed at the Combine. The question with Massaquoi is whether or not the competition accentuated his athletic ability.

Two players who will probably be mentioned a lot here are Jake Bequette from Arkansas and Ronnell Lewis from Oklahoma. Bequette has trouble locating the ball, terrible balance, is incredibly stiff, and relies heavily on his bull rush; anyone who drafts him that high will likely be disappointed. Lewis will face various questions regarding his character (repeated academic issues are a concern) and may even translate better to 4-3 OLB or 3-4 ILB.

Malik Jackson, Jacquies Smith, and Kyle Wilber would be the most likely guys aside from anyone previously mentioned.
Nick Perry?
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Funny you say that, I am controlling the Saints in a big mock and actually just took Cam Johnson in the 3rd.
LOL, cool Shane, hope it comes true.

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Wow, great info here guys. I just hope we get someone who can get after the QB, I dont care if he is a specialist.
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LOL, cool Shane, hope it comes true.

are you going to post the mock when your finished?
I can if you want.
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One thing few people seem to realize about Irvin is that he played DE in a 3 man line. He should be the end of a 4 man line or better yet, an OLB.
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My bad, I forgot about Nick Perry. He will be selected in the first round.

descendency, I see Bruce Irvin as a 4-3 rush linebacker somewhat similar to how Von Miller was used. Kamerion Wimbley is a more powerful player than Irvin but that's another type of role where he could succeed. Irvin should not be used as a defensive end, his anchor and playing strength are not suited to that role.
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I just want to play a little devils advocate. There are exceptions like Jared Allen and Trent Cole. But most of the time, the good pass rushers go high. if a team wants a pass rusher they have to invest a 1 or 2. Anything past that is playing craps.
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Irvin kicked the **** out of the Jimmy Johns sign in front of their building after his pro day, the sign is huge and is always in the way of the sidewalk, can't blame him. He's a good dude from all accounts I've read and was nice to students on campus always.

His junior year he was strictly use as a pass rush specialist on 3rd down/ passing situations as a buck linebacker and recorded 14 sacks.

This year he had to move to a down lineman as someone mentioned in our 3-3-5. He struggled a bit at first with release but he actually was pretty good against the run and came into his own as a de but his future is definitely OLB.

His pass rush skills are pretty amazing and if I'm a 3-4 team looking for some help there I definitely snag him if he's still there in the 3rd.
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I see a nice mash of pass rushers available in the first three rounds. I think their best bet is find the lower rated guy who drops due to teams thinking their flaws are too big to pick early.

Other than a few definite first round guys, I see the pass rushers sliding around a lot.
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My draft for the Saints ended up:

3. Cam Johnson
4. Michael Brewster
5. Nigel Bradham
6. Jeff Fuller
6. Russell Wilson
7. Olivier Vernon
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My draft for the Saints ended up:

3. Cam Johnson
4. Michael Brewster
5. Nigel Bradham
6. Jeff Fuller
6. Russell Wilson
7. Olivier Vernon
As a Saints fan I would sleep well with that draft. Love Michael Brewester and Russell Wilson would be an interesting prospect to see groomed under Brees.
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Tim Fugger might end up in the 3rd
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