Draft Countdown Forums

Go Back   Draft Countdown Forums > Draft Countdown Forums > 2015 NFL Draft Forum

2015 NFL Draft Forum Discuss the 2015 NFL Draft

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 03-30-2012, 05:46 PM    (permalink
tmljeh19
Rookie
 
 
Join Date: Mar 2012
Location: Allentown PA
Posts: 128
Reputation: 13180
tmljeh19 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.tmljeh19 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.tmljeh19 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.tmljeh19 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.tmljeh19 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.tmljeh19 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.tmljeh19 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.tmljeh19 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.tmljeh19 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.tmljeh19 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.tmljeh19 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.
Default

Redskins:

I think its pretty clear that the #2 pick is a QB. Ill even say I guarantee its RG3. RG3 will be starting week one as well, at least I hope lol. Lets start with offense.

QB - I see us only carrying 2 QBs on the final roster. It will come down Rex vs Beck or the likes of a Dennis Dixon which Ive heard inside rumor that he is being looked at to come in and compete with Rex. Rex is actually a decent back up for this system. He has proven he can actually move the offense and even win a few games should RG3 need to miss time. Beck is done in my book. If the competition comes down to Rex against Beck its a no brainer.

RB/FB - Helu and Royster are a good tandem to mix with Hightower who is working on resigning and has already said to want to be here. I actually like the stable of backs very much. Helu will get the bulk of the carries as I see it. Shanny said recently he wants at least 4-5 backs in training camp. Only 3 are currently on the roster. Resigning Hightower puts them at 4. I see a few UDFA's or late rounders being brought in since Shanny likes dumpster diving for RB talent. Helu needs to manage his carries and keep himself healthy. Missed a game or two with a toe injury last year. Sellers gone (thank God!) and Young will get full FB duty and rightfully deserves it. Showed great hands out of the backfield last season and tackle breaking ability.

WR - A position that both Mike and Kyle identified publicly as a major area of need and better play. The Shanny's loved Garcon's YAC and admitted they were going to have to overpay to get him. Morgan is another guy who has a ton of potential and needs to keep healthy. I love both of those moves. Would much rather pay for Garcon then VJax. As for current WRs, Hankerson has a chance to start. He just needs to take it. Only started one game last season and posted a 100 yard game before going down with a hip injury. I would really love to just cut Moss. His best years are behind him. Was not on board with resigning him last year. Cant stand the drops and the disappearing in big games anymore. Gaffney was a really nice surprise last year. A nice possession type and really surpassed expectations for what people expected last year. Niles Paul gets a LOT of praise for the coaching staff and is a hell of a special teams player. Should see increased WR time this year and hopefully his return ability pushes Banks off the roster as well. Surprise candidate is Aldrick Robinson a draft pick from last year. He has lightning speed but lacked polish in his routes. Word from DC is that he has been putting in major work in that area this offseason. RG3 should have a lot of speedy weapons for his ridiculous deep ball. Kyle should be able to finally run his offense the way he wants.

TE - As long as Fred Davis keeps his hands off the weed he should have a monster year. He really took Cooley's injury time and ran away with it. He is a match up nightmare and has excellent hands. Cooley was not himself at all with the lingering injury and he obviously was not in the shape he needed to be in. Again word out of DC is that he is putting in a ton of work and looking great. If the old Cooley is back it will make the offense even more dynamic with beasting Fred and Chris. Paulsen is a decent 3rd TE. Can block and catch some as well.

OL - It looks like this starting unit will remain mostly intact from last season. Trent Williams also needs to keep his hands off the weed. Its time for him to step up and stake his claim as an upper echelon LT. He has all the talent to be on but just needs to be more consistent. Lichtensteiger is back at LG and it was obvious when he went down with his season ending knee injury that the OL got worse. Montgomery is back at C. When Lich went down with the knee injury, Monty was moved to LG and Cook to C. Cook was awful at C so having Monty back at C should solidify the OL again. The right side is the weakest and where Id like to see an upgrade if one is made. Chester is average at RG and Brown at RT is a big question mark. We are currently in talks with Bell and would love to see him at RT and cut Brown. Brown is taking yoga classes to improve the hip and he said its working so we might see him get one more year. Mo Hurt was a very nice surprise as a 7th rounder and was getting better as the year went on when he was starting. Same with Willie Smith. A UDFA prospect who was extremely raw and he actually did a really decent job of starting when Trent was suspended. Another year of development should improve his game even more.

DL - This is one of the strongest units on the team. Bowen was a nice pick up last year and Carriker was even better. Jenkins went down in preseason and was on pace to start over both. A lot of talent and depth along the DL. Cofield will be better with another year to play NT and Neild was another 7th rounder depth surprise.

LB - Kerrigan was an excellent pick last year and complimented Orakpo very nicely. We could use some depth behind both of them Markus White was only active for one game. Rob Jackson is probably only a pass rush specialist. ILB is more of a need. Perry Riley will be taking over for McIntosh, which he did midseason and excelled last season. Fletcher is in the plans to resign and really has not many, if any, other places to go. He has said many times he loves DC and wants to retire a Redskin so its a real good bet is he is back. Other then that we have no depth there.

CB - Hall and Wilson will start right now. If Cedric Griffin can regain some for he could be a huge help. Look for a CB in the mid rounds of the draft for nickel and dime situations. Kevin Barnes looked better at S then CB. Brandyn Thompson looked good last preseason and was actually called up for the last few games because Shanny saw a lot of improvement in practice and he was going to be claimed of the PS. Really excited to see what Morris can do coaching this secondary.

S - Probably the weakest position on the team right now. Landry is gone and a lot of people are happy to see that. He cared more about his body then his craft. Meriweather will start at one S. The other is really up in the air right now. Reed Doughty and DeJon Gomes are the only other S on the roster. Gomes did get some starting time last year but it is said that he just isnt ready to start yet. A major draft need right here.



This is how I hope to see the draft fall:

R1 - Robert Griffin III - QB - Baylor
R3 - Dwight Bentley - CB - Louisiana Lafayette
R4 - James-Michael Johnson - LB - Nevada
R4 - Nate Potter - OT - Boise State
R5 - Brandon Taylor - S - LSU
R6 - OL depth
R7 - BPA
tmljeh19 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-30-2012, 09:58 PM    (permalink
GloryDaysRBack
Rookie
 
Join Date: Apr 2010
Posts: 78
Reputation: 3871
GloryDaysRBack is so money.GloryDaysRBack is so money.GloryDaysRBack is so money.GloryDaysRBack is so money.GloryDaysRBack is so money.GloryDaysRBack is so money.GloryDaysRBack is so money.GloryDaysRBack is so money.GloryDaysRBack is so money.GloryDaysRBack is so money.
Default

cowboys

Needs:

DE
S
CB
G
C
WR
TE

in the first round I have pretty much determined it will come down to one of these player

Kirkpatrick
Barron
Cox
Brockers

still in the picture but barely..DeCastro..a trade down is highly possible..Konz could easily be the target if they move down
GloryDaysRBack is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-30-2012, 10:12 PM    (permalink
Loftin
Rookie
 
Join Date: Mar 2012
Location: Houston, TX
Posts: 64
Reputation: 45009
Loftin is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.Loftin is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.Loftin is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.Loftin is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.Loftin is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.Loftin is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.Loftin is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.Loftin is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.Loftin is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.Loftin is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.Loftin is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.
Default

Houston Texans:

Despite finally making the playoffs, Houston got hit hard by free agency this year and we have a lot of holes to fill.

Not necessarily in any order:

RB, FB, and C are the positions that we have absolutely no need of.

NT - This has been our weakest link for a couple of years now. Using an early pick to grab a star at this position would excite a lot of Houston fans, but the powers that be don't seem that concerned about it.

WR - We are really thin here after Andre Johnson. I see a lot of mocks giving us a WR in round 1, but I hope that's not the case. I wouldn't mind drafting someone like TY Hilton in round 3 to replace Jacoby Jones, though.

CB - Jonathon Joseph was the biggest single factor in our turnaround last season. However, the other starting CB is Kareem Jackson, a complete bust 1st round pick from 2010. Our best backup, Jason Allen, has moved on in free agency. Gary Kubiak often talks about how you can't have too many good corners, so I see us drafting this position for sure. I wouldn't even rule out round 1.

S - Danieal Manning is solid at the FS spot, but at SS we could use some help. Glover Quin used to be our best CB and got moved to safety last year, where he's been mediocre. I doubt the Texans will use a premium pick on a safety, but it's a spot where we need depth.

OT - We lost our RT Eric Winston in free agency, and our LT (Duane Brown) is a free agent next season. At the very least we need to pick up some depth at OT, and I wouldn't mind seeing us take one in the first 2 rounds if there was a good value available.

OG - Our RG (Mike Brisiel) left in free agency. His replacement (Antoine Caldwell) is a 3rd round pick from about 3-4 years ago who hasn't seen a lot of action. Again, at the very least we need some depth.

TE - Owen Daniels is a Pro Bowler when healthy, but that hasn't been for a while. Our solid backup, Joel Dreesen, left in free agency. The Texans have never been shy about drafting tons of TEs, so it wouldn't surprise me to see us take another one this year.

QB - Matt Schaub is the starter, and TJ Yates has established himself as the #2 QB. Houston usually keeps 3 QBs on the roster, and our backups that we cycled through last season (Matt Leinart, Jeff Garcia, Jake Delhomme) are all gone. We've used late round picks on developmental QBs in the past and this year that is once again a possibility.

DE - JJ Watt turned out to be a great pick last year, but on the other side Antonio Smith isn't getting any younger and we seriously lack depth here. I could easily see us taking a DE as early as round 2.

OLB - Losing Mario Williams hurts. Brooks Reed and Connor Barwin are both young and look very promising, but they're all we've got. OLB is a legitimate target for Houston in any round.

MLB - The departure of DeMeco Ryans makes this spot a priority. Darryl Sharpton could be the longterm answer, but Houston should pull the trigger on a MLB when there's a good value.
Loftin is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-31-2012, 12:38 AM    (permalink
stlouisfan37
Veteran
 
Join Date: Oct 2009
Posts: 1,230
Reputation: 163516
stlouisfan37 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.stlouisfan37 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.stlouisfan37 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.stlouisfan37 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.stlouisfan37 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.stlouisfan37 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.stlouisfan37 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.stlouisfan37 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.stlouisfan37 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.stlouisfan37 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.stlouisfan37 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by tmljeh19 View Post
Is that really the blue print or just the forced blue print? Honestly what is attractive about Cleveland to free agents? Many agents, prospects and free agents themselves have said or hinted to not wanting to be signed or drafted by Cleveland.



So you mean to tell me that Andy Reid was full of **** when he said teams were calling the Eagles the day after they drafted Kafka wanting to trade for him? Hmmmm.....
This situation is not exclusive to Cleveland. Many teams go through this...St. Louis and Jacksonville come to mind. It wasn't long ago that no one wanted to play in Detroit or Arizona, and their own free agents couldn't wait to get out of town. It's a double edged sword; you need players to start winning, but no one wants to sign with a team that is a perennial loser unless they get overpaid. Once the talent level rises and a team starts winning, free agents start looking at a team differently.

I'm not saying that Cleveland is on the way to the Super Bowl by any stretch at this point. But I do think they are on the path toward respectability, and when they start winning 8, 9, 10 games a year you will see free agents wanting to play there.
stlouisfan37 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-31-2012, 09:30 AM    (permalink
tmljeh19
Rookie
 
 
Join Date: Mar 2012
Location: Allentown PA
Posts: 128
Reputation: 13180
tmljeh19 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.tmljeh19 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.tmljeh19 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.tmljeh19 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.tmljeh19 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.tmljeh19 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.tmljeh19 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.tmljeh19 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.tmljeh19 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.tmljeh19 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.tmljeh19 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by stlouisfan37 View Post
This situation is not exclusive to Cleveland. Many teams go through this...St. Louis and Jacksonville come to mind. It wasn't long ago that no one wanted to play in Detroit or Arizona, and their own free agents couldn't wait to get out of town. It's a double edged sword; you need players to start winning, but no one wants to sign with a team that is a perennial loser unless they get overpaid. Once the talent level rises and a team starts winning, free agents start looking at a team differently.

I'm not saying that Cleveland is on the way to the Super Bowl by any stretch at this point. But I do think they are on the path toward respectability, and when they start winning 8, 9, 10 games a year you will see free agents wanting to play there.

I agree about the winning but not about Cleveland being on the path to respectability. I think that path lies squarely on this draft being a success. Three picks in the top 40, IIRC, should give them one stud and two solid to great players. If they flame out on those picks IMO they going to be beyond screwed.

The same thing goes for coaches as well. Look at the skins. In comparison to Cleveland we haven't had that much more success then them but players want to play for Shanny. He took an old team with no talent or declining talent and put us on the upswing and one of if not the youngest team in the league. Players love playing for him. Hell our oldest skill position starter is going to be 26 this year.
tmljeh19 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-31-2012, 12:37 PM    (permalink
STsACE
Rookie
 
Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: Ohio
Posts: 271
Reputation: 16331
STsACE is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.STsACE is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.STsACE is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.STsACE is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.STsACE is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.STsACE is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.STsACE is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.STsACE is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.STsACE is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.STsACE is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.STsACE is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.
Default

BROWNS

Where to begin?

Our first pick should be a playmaker, forget reaching for a potential QB (Tannehill) who is only gaining steam because of a pro-day: Richardson or Blackmon. Possibility Claiborne is picked. If right player falls, we trade down a few spots and grab another 2nd round pick.

Our 2nd pick: Depending on who we grab first (Our brass is really impressed with Richardson, so I'm 75% leaning we will go with Richardson at 4), another playmaker or BPA in secondary is taken, maybe even a RT. Wright, Hill are possibilities. Adams is possible as well. I believe a small chance that we could reach for a QB here if the FO is in love with one enough to not risk him being picked before 37.

2nd round, we need BPA across the board at any position really outside of LT, C, MLB and whatever our 1st 2 picks were. If we grab an additional 2nd rounder by trading down outta #4, I believe we package both our 2nds and move back into the first giving us 3 1st round picks. Pipe dream for sure, but could be a helluva start to our immediate future.

After the 2nd, I feel the FO will make some trades and not stand pat with where we pick, we'll move up or down depending on how the players start coming off the boards. I do feel and believe we are targeting at least 2 O-Lineman, FS, OLB, DE, CB (outside of our first 3 picks) all capable of starting this year or at least next year while being solid contributors this season. We need about 8 players who combine as starters and contributors for this season, whether it's 3-4 starters and 4-5 contributors, we need the players, this draft is the point for this regime to either show the step forward to be good in near future or stuck way below mediocrity.

Unfortunately, if our FO whiffs on this draft, I feel we're headed for another change

Edit: After replying to the Tannehill pro-day thread, I had to edit this. IF and big IF, the Browns trade down to 6 or 7 while picking up another 2nd round, I'd be okay, not excited, if we take Tannehill in top 10. That's as long as we are A) Able to package both 2nd and move back into 1st to have 3 first rounder and B) Target Best RB, WR or RT. Even if we don't move back into 1st for 3 first rounders, our next 3 picks NEED to be all 3 not in order: WR, RB, RT. If that's how our first picks ended up, I'd be pretty happy, even if we reached for Tannehill.

Last edited by STsACE : 03-31-2012 at 01:14 PM.
STsACE is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-31-2012, 01:52 PM    (permalink
stlouisfan37
Veteran
 
Join Date: Oct 2009
Posts: 1,230
Reputation: 163516
stlouisfan37 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.stlouisfan37 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.stlouisfan37 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.stlouisfan37 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.stlouisfan37 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.stlouisfan37 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.stlouisfan37 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.stlouisfan37 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.stlouisfan37 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.stlouisfan37 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.stlouisfan37 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by tmljeh19 View Post
I agree about the winning but not about Cleveland being on the path to respectability. I think that path lies squarely on this draft being a success. Three picks in the top 40, IIRC, should give them one stud and two solid to great players. If they flame out on those picks IMO they going to be beyond screwed.

The same thing goes for coaches as well. Look at the skins. In comparison to Cleveland we haven't had that much more success then them but players want to play for Shanny. He took an old team with no talent or declining talent and put us on the upswing and one of if not the youngest team in the league. Players love playing for him. Hell our oldest skill position starter is going to be 26 this year.
There is a lot to be said for a players' coach. There were shouts of enthusiasm among Rams players when they signed Jeff Fisher. Winning only adds to that fire.

Will players want to go play for Shurmur? I don't know enough about him to say if he is a players' coach or not. I do know this, though...if the team wins, it won't matter. When teams attain the status of perennial contender, they immediately attract the attention of a lot of free agents who maybe would not have considered them before.
stlouisfan37 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-31-2012, 02:03 PM    (permalink
STsACE
Rookie
 
Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: Ohio
Posts: 271
Reputation: 16331
STsACE is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.STsACE is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.STsACE is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.STsACE is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.STsACE is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.STsACE is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.STsACE is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.STsACE is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.STsACE is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.STsACE is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.STsACE is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by stlouisfan37 View Post

Will players want to go play for Shurmur? I don't know enough about him to say if he is a players' coach or not. I do know this, though...if the team wins, it won't matter. When teams attain the status of perennial contender, they immediately attract the attention of a lot of free agents who maybe would not have considered them before.
Shurmur showed last year, he was in way over his head being both HC and OC.

The defense was tremendous considering the 1st season in a 4-3. Defensive players, I could see wanting to come to Cleveland if they were guaranteed playing time (of course final factor is are we gonna overpay). Offense I can see the doubt, we were targeting some of the big name WRs in FA (well, at least the WRs who got overpaid in Washington anyway) and lost out. If Childress shows he can create good gameplans, maybe just maybe we might be able to get some key FAs next offseason. I wasn't too thrilled about our possibilities in Offense FAs (minus severely overpaying) this year due to Shurmur not showing what the offense is capable of during this last season.
STsACE is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-31-2012, 08:36 PM    (permalink
stlouisfan37
Veteran
 
Join Date: Oct 2009
Posts: 1,230
Reputation: 163516
stlouisfan37 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.stlouisfan37 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.stlouisfan37 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.stlouisfan37 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.stlouisfan37 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.stlouisfan37 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.stlouisfan37 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.stlouisfan37 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.stlouisfan37 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.stlouisfan37 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.stlouisfan37 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by STsACE View Post
Shurmur showed last year, he was in way over his head being both HC and OC.

The defense was tremendous considering the 1st season in a 4-3. Defensive players, I could see wanting to come to Cleveland if they were guaranteed playing time (of course final factor is are we gonna overpay). Offense I can see the doubt, we were targeting some of the big name WRs in FA (well, at least the WRs who got overpaid in Washington anyway) and lost out. If Childress shows he can create good gameplans, maybe just maybe we might be able to get some key FAs next offseason. I wasn't too thrilled about our possibilities in Offense FAs (minus severely overpaying) this year due to Shurmur not showing what the offense is capable of during this last season.
You know, it is very frustrating being a fan of a Mike Holmgren team. He has a strong track record, but he does some things that make you scratch your head. He sometimes takes the long way, and he has way more patience than his fanbase. He really doesn't believe in overspending for anyone.

When he was in Seattle (where I live) he rebuilt the offense first, even though it was the more talented side of the ball. It was almost as if to say, "This is my team, and I'm going to win or lose with my players." His process took at least two seasons longer than it should have, but in the end he had a pretty solid team built. He does learn from his mistakes. My guess is that the fiasco that occurred with the trade for RGIII never happens again. He and Heckert will probably load the cupboard in this draft and, if they don't get their QB, come out swinging for the fences next year. In the meantime you will just have to be patient and rest easy knowing that the Cleveland Browns had the greatest dynasty in the history of pro football.
stlouisfan37 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-02-2012, 09:24 PM    (permalink
BuckeyeDan17
Pro Bowler
 
 
Join Date: May 2007
Posts: 3,125
Reputation: 1209657
BuckeyeDan17 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.BuckeyeDan17 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.BuckeyeDan17 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.BuckeyeDan17 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.BuckeyeDan17 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.BuckeyeDan17 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.BuckeyeDan17 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.BuckeyeDan17 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.BuckeyeDan17 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.BuckeyeDan17 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.BuckeyeDan17 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.
Default

I think the Burger King, Heckert and Shoe are genuinely willing to give Colt McCoy season under center before making a decision on him. If he blows again this year he's out the door - no doubt about it.

I'll gladly eat my crow if he shows he can make it in the NFL and be a good starter; however, until then, I'm going to continue to think he's just a little dweeb with a sorry ass arm that has absolutely no pocket presence and has no business starting in the NFL.
__________________

Have it your way, with BK (BoneKrusher)
BuckeyeDan17 is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply


Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

vB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Forum Jump


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 12:54 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.6.4
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.