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Old 04-20-2012, 12:45 AM    (permalink
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Good. Everyone needs to join me on the "Kendall Wright is not that good" bandwagon.
I've been riding it for a while. Check the NFL Comparisons thread, where I called him Golden Tate 2.0...I feel more confident about that now more then ever after hearing that body fat %...
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Old 04-20-2012, 12:53 AM    (permalink
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I've been riding it for a while. Check the NFL Comparisons thread, where I called him Golden Tate 2.0...I feel more confident about that now more then ever after hearing that body fat %...
Pretty spot on. Wright separates a bit better and Tate tracks the ball better, but I think they're about the same caliber of prospect.
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I've been riding it for a while. Check the NFL Comparisons thread, where I called him Golden Tate 2.0...I feel more confident about that now more then ever after hearing that body fat %...
I think I'm reluctantly climbing aboard as well. He was amazing to watch at times last season, but his offseason wasn't good at all (in fact, it was terrible) and you start to begin questioning the offense, and how much Robert Griffin had to do with his success - if he'd have been able to carry an offense on his own, which he certainly did not do at Baylor. And I also remember that I really liked Golden Tate a couple of years ago for a lot of the same reasons, except Golden Tate made more spectacular catches, was way better with the ball in his hands and actually ran the 4.4 he was supposed to at the combine. I still have some hope for Golden Tate, but I do think Kendall Wright is a very similar prospect, and if I'm being honest I probably thought more of Golden Tate coming out in just about every category, if not all. I still like Kendall Wright, but he's definitely not a blue chip prospect to me.
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I know it's the easiest thing to look at, and with almost anyone else I would tend to discard it, but his 40 time at the combine was the catalyst for my sea change regarding Kendall Wright's stock. I mean, he ran 0.3 slower than I expected him to; I thought he'd be breaking 4.4 no problem based on how he flew down the field in college. But those 40's were bad for a small guy whose game is built around his ability to get behind the defense. Are Big 12 defenses just that slow? Are the camera angles making the holes look smaller than they are? I don't know. I seriously expected Kendall Wright to show up and kill the 40, and thought that was all he had to do at the combine. But in his one event, he shows up at the very bottom of the pack. There's just not a lot else to hold his stock up. Then his other workout numbers are similarly poor, and it's just hard to look past. His huge production gets him drafted before the 4th round, but it's just too hard to draft a small, slow receiver with a premium pick.
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Wasn't Wright's 40 time a result of poor technique? I think his stance was off or he made some small hand movement that started the clock early, something like that. I think he's still fast, its the low reps and bodyfat that scare me.
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he plays like a 4.4 guy and ran multiple 4.4s at his pro day i think you can throw the combine numbers out
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he plays like a 4.4 guy and ran multiple 4.4s at his pro day i think you can throw the combine numbers out
They're not everything, but you can't "throw them out" because of a preconception. The body fat and bench reps are off-putting as well. When's the last time such a small, mediocre athlete had NFL success? We like to talk about the 40 not being important because "Jerry Rice..." and "Emmitt Smith..." but Rice was 6'2" 200 in an era of somewhat smaller players and Emmitt Smith was a little bowling ball. It's a matter of looking at what he has to offer - I can't take his college production and apply it to the NFL game by proxy. It's not even that I don't think he can't run a legitimate 4.4, it's the fact that everyone and their grandmother knew he was supposed to run fast at the combine, and he didn't. Was he not training? Had he not timed himself before then? That seems unlikely. And he might have been better off not benching at all if he's only going to put up 4 reps. His agility test scores are low, his jumps weren't anything special. He might be the least physically impressive high-profile wide receiver we've seen in the last few years. So in all honesty, if you're drafting for your team, would you take him before the third round? For me, I say "No." Great college player, but I did such a massive double-take at his measurables that it made me re-evaluate some of what I'd seen from him. Production isn't everything; Golden Tate was just as huge his last year, posting 93 catches for just a hair under 1500 receiving yards and 15 TDs, and was used in several roles on his way to winning the Biletnikoff. And Golden Tate was also playing with a future NFL QB. We've seen prospects with big production fail to produce in the NFL before, and with Wright's physical tools being as meagre as they are, I just don't want to spend a high pick on him. The 40's not everything, but the people who know that know just as well that Pro Day times are nearly always significantly higher than combine times. So I just don't put a lot of stock in those improvements. The "Kendall Wright had poor technique at the combine, but learned to run fast before his pro day," argument just doesn't really compel me. I find it somewhat absurd to think he didn't know he had poor technique and slow times before the combine, and if he really didn't know, and just expected to show up and "be fast," that in conjunction with his other poor drill times and lift numbers says something else about him entirely - that he's got no idea what athletic training is for.
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Mike Mayock says Oliver Vernon (DE, Miami) is skyrocketing up boards. Could be a 2nd-3rd round selection.
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So, if the Rams do in fact go after Fletcher Cox, who grabs up Blackmon? I guess the real question is, who's gonna slide? Blackmon or Tannehill?

I know I'll be stoned for saying this, but I really don't think it's absurd for the Jags to take Hill with the 7th overall pick. I think he's got the legitimate NFL talent to be a 1st WR in that offense.
but why reach at the no.7? especially with Michael Floyd and possibly Blackmon still on the board. why not just trade down with someone, like the Jets? theyre in love with Melvin Ingram, and it would only cost their 2nd rd pick to get it done. Jaguars could take Hill at no.16, then add help to their OL and DL with their two 2nd rd picks.
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Draft Scoop - There have been plenty of rumors lately regarding the Philadelphia Eagles interest in trading up for either Texas A&M QB Ryan Tannehill or Mississippi State DT Fletcher Cox, however the prospect the Eagles are really targeting is Memphis DT Dontari Poe according to a trusted league source. - Al Fronczak
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Why is during the season eveyone loves Wright but then combine/pro day people hate on him for his timed 40 or body fat or whatever? All I care about is how he plays on game day. Now I dont know how Wright is since I didnt really pay attention but it just seems to me people start to hop on some short comings of a player after the season and seem to forget how they play with pads on.
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Draft Scoop - There have been plenty of rumors lately regarding the Philadelphia Eagles interest in trading up for either Texas A&M QB Ryan Tannehill or Mississippi State DT Fletcher Cox, however the prospect the Eagles are really targeting is Memphis DT Dontari Poe according to a trusted league source. - Al Fronczak
This doesn't surprise me at all. When Poe was in for a visit, Washburn tried to pass him off as Cox, which makes me think the Eagles are trying to keep their interest in him as quiet as possible. I've been behind this for a while, and I really do think he is the top guy on their boards right now. Its weird, I usually don't get a good feel on what the Eagles plan to do in the draft, but the Eagles need a space eating NT and Poe is just that. I have been trying to tell my fellow Eagles fans this, but no one listens, lol. They all see Cox and say he's the better DT (and I do agree, though the more I see of each, I realize how much I like them both), however, Cox isn't an NT, and I've been thinking that's what the Eagles have been looking for, at least that's what I've been thinking. Other people have been saying Brockers, but he doesn't have the anchor to be a NT, and we don't need another UT type. I wouldn't be surprised if they trade up to 7 or 8, even, I just hope they don't give up too much.
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A Rotoworld blurb says Poe's stock is plummeting after scouts went back and watched his tape. Their mock guy didn't even put him in the first round.
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A Rotoworld blurb says Poe's stock is plummeting after scouts went back and watched his tape. Their mock guy didn't even put him in the first round.
So after, months and months of film study, a week or so before the draft, 'the scouts' are going back and watching tape now and have all of a sudden drastically changed their opinions? Boards are basically set by now anyways. Could he fall? Sure. But this seems like a typical week-before-the-draft rumor that comes from a team trying to manipulate the board.
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oh do let him fall all the way to 24
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So after, months and months of film study, a week or so before the draft, 'the scouts' are going back and watching tape now and have all of a sudden drastically changed their opinions? Boards are basically set by now anyways. Could he fall? Sure. But this seems like a typical week-before-the-draft rumor that comes from a team trying to manipulate the board.
Shhhhh, just think...

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SI.com’s Peter King released his mock draft on Friday afternoon, and included in it are a number of draft-related nuggets. In King’s prediction of the Jaguars’ pick at No. 7, he states that Jacksonville “likes” South Carolina cornerback Stephon Gilmorea ton,” while also noting that corner is a position of need for the Jags.

Gilmore’s draft stock seems to be on fire of late. ESPN’s Todd McShay mentioned on Friday’s edition of SportsCenter that Gilmore is entering next week’s draft with significant “momentum,” seemingly clearly bypassing Alabama’s Dre Kirkpatrick as the second-rated corner in this year’s class.

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So after, months and months of film study, a week or so before the draft, 'the scouts' are going back and watching tape now and have all of a sudden drastically changed their opinions? Boards are basically set by now anyways. Could he fall? Sure. But this seems like a typical week-before-the-draft rumor that comes from a team trying to manipulate the board.
Well his stock is really just public perception; I don't know that it was necessarily where we thought it was. I think the combine challenged some opinions on the guy and forced scouts to go back and take a closer look, and they came away without changing their previous opinions.
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Shhhhh, just think...

Poe - Cody - Ngata
That's what, > a half ton among the 3 of them?
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I think it's funny that Poe is sometimes treated like he came out of nowhere. He's been on watch lists for 3 years now easy...His school has also done a ton to promote him as he was one of the first 2012 draft guys to have interviews and workout videos thrown up.

Personally Poe >>> Brockers.
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Well his stock is really just public perception; I don't know that it was necessarily where we thought it was. I think the combine challenged some opinions on the guy and forced scouts to go back and take a closer look, and they came away without changing their previous opinions.
Everyone's stock in this draft sans Luck and Griffin is really just public perception. We don't really know where guys stand until they're drafted and even then, it's not always the most accurate indicator given the dependency between rankings from one team to another. The idea of players' stock is constantly rising and falling is mainly just a function of fan/pundit speculation far more than it is about tangible information on teams changing their opinions.

Like I said, Poe may very well be drafted later than he is currently expected by the public (though he happen to visit the team with the 6th, 9th, 11th, 15th and 24th pick), but I'm always skeptical of reports that come out around this time that say 'we're hearing so and so is falling/rising' because I doubt the league-wide consensus on players is changing this close to the draft.
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Draft Scoop - There have been plenty of rumors lately regarding the Philadelphia Eagles interest in trading up for either Texas A&M QB Ryan Tannehill or Mississippi State DT Fletcher Cox, however the prospect the Eagles are really targeting is Memphis DT Dontari Poe according to a trusted league source. - Al Fronczak
Yea I am certain the Eagles will go with Poe with the 15th pick. Then look for an QB in round 3 or 4. I am thinking Cousins or Wilson.
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Mike Mayock says Oliver Vernon (DE, Miami) is skyrocketing up boards. Could be a 2nd-3rd round selection.
Vernon has a lot of power to his game. He has a lot to work on, but had he not messed up big time off the field I could see his stock being a lot higher. You're going to have a hard time finding more physically talented guys around where he is going to go.
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Everyone's stock in this draft sans Luck and Griffin is really just public perception. We don't really know where guys stand until they're drafted and even then, it's not always the most accurate indicator given the dependency between rankings from one team to another. The idea of players' stock is constantly rising and falling is mainly just a function of fan/pundit speculation far more than it is about tangible information on teams changing their opinions.

Like I said, Poe may very well be drafted later than he is currently expected by the public (though he happen to visit the team with the 6th, 9th, 11th, 15th and 24th pick), but I'm always skeptical of reports that come out around this time that say 'we're hearing so and so is falling/rising' because I doubt the league-wide consensus on players is changing this close to the draft.
I came on here to say exactly this. I cant really add much to it, but i will say, teams have watched Poe's tape already and for all we know, no one could have him in their top 20. We would see it as Poe falling after teams watched his tape again, but the teams would of never had him high in the first place.

We just dont know where teams have him ranked.
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