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Old 04-03-2012, 04:10 PM    (permalink
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I completely don't buy that him having a learning disability is the reason he got a 4. Its a complete excuse, he's in college. Are you telling me that if I managed to get a learning disability that it would excuse me from answering 6th grade math problems? Even the most basic math class would deal with number systems, and he'd probably had to have taken a lab based science class. How did he pass that? Did someone read it to him and explain it?

Even so...even if it takes a person a long time to learn something, or if they have to learn through different methods...why the hell does that excuse a college student from getting a 4 on a relatively simple test based off of stuff that he would have already learned in previous years of high school/college?

Summary...he's not learning anything new here. He just has to show up, read, and follow his previous training.

So, the only excuse that I can see is that he doesn't have the confidence to do it on his own. Probably from being coddled and told how special he was and not having to face problems on his own.
Or his brain really isn't good at test taking, or the specific questions of the wonderlic and because he knew how little importance it had to him he focused his offseason preparation on other things, like getting his body in premium shape for the combine, taking some public speaking classes, studying more complex NFL coverage schemes or any of a million other things that'll make him better at his chosen profession and earn him more money than studying for an insignificant test he was doing to do terrible on anyway. The man is a corner, not a QB, not a Center, not even a Safety or a MIKE, but a corner. The **** does the wonderlic have to do with being a corner?
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A four though...damn. That ludicrously bad. If you just flat out guess at every question, you probably end up with a better score.
I tutor some kids through No Child Left Behind, and... it's kind of hard to believe that they can manage to do worse than you'd expect for even simply guessing. I'll ask a question, and the kid will just look at me and start spouting out answers, watching my face for a reaction to see if they're getting closer. Or there'll be questions where the answer is one way or the other, and after explaining it ad nauseum... "What's the answer?" "(opposite answer.)"

Not (necessarily) his fault, in other words. Some people's brains just get all scrambled when you try to make them recollect information a certain way, or for some reason or another can't structure their thoughts the way others do. But it's just a wonderlic score. Might mean he needs help with the playbook, but it's not like he's going to get to the NFL and suddenly not know how to play football. Didn't Patrick Peterson score in the single digits last year, too? He did alright.

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im sure he knew the importance of the test just like he knows the importance of staying in shape and preparing himself. the wonderlic is not new so he definitely knew the importance of it.

i'm sure he tried, he just didn't do well.
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Not in my opinion. Half the problem with all these kids and their "learning disabilities" is that they never had anyone to push them. They were considered "special" and therefore everything they did had to be easy. Being an NFL football player is not easy. Being a role-model is not easy. And being in the very judgmental public spotlight certainly is not easy. Even a child (or adult) with a learning disability is still capable of learning. And still capable of trying.
so are you saying that morris claiborne has a predisposition to growing complacent with his football skills because he was treated differently? i would say that based on his on-field performance at LSU, as well as athletic conditioning that he has proven he is capable of working/willing to work just as hard as anyone else.

being an nfl player is not easy, neither is being a top-tier talent in division 1 college football.
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I completely don't buy that him having a learning disability is the reason he got a 4. Its a complete excuse, he's in college. Are you telling me that if I managed to get a learning disability that it would excuse me from answering 6th grade math problems? Even the most basic math class would deal with number systems, and he'd probably had to have taken a lab based science class. How did he pass that? Did someone read it to him and explain it?

Even so...even if it takes a person a long time to learn something, or if they have to learn through different methods...why the hell does that excuse a college student from getting a 4 on a relatively simple test based off of stuff that he would have already learned in previous years of high school/college?

Summary...he's not learning anything new here. He just has to show up, read, and follow his previous training.

So, the only excuse that I can see is that he doesn't have the confidence to do it on his own. Probably from being coddled and told how special he was and not having to face problems on his own.
you can read into his score as much as you want, but you have no idea exactly how his learning disability affects his ability to take such a test, and quite frankly it doesn't matter. you can be illiterate and still be an upstanding citizen, or a successful NFL cornerback for that matter.
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I love the people in this thread who clearly have no idea what they're talking about and have evidently had zero exposure to people with learning disabilities and think that they're all treated the same way apparently. Claiborne's disability would not have resulted in him being coddled at all. They don't put people with his disability in special needs classes. The only benefit they receive is extra time on exams, and maybe some scholarship/grant money depending on the state, plus some prescription medications that can help them to help them focus, and often to help with anxiety.
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I love the people in this thread who clearly have no idea what they're talking about and have evidently had zero exposure to people with learning disabilities and think that they're all treated the same way apparently. Claiborne's disability would not have resulted in him being coddled at all. They don't put people with his disability in special needs classes. The only benefit they receive is extra time on exams, and maybe some scholarship/grant money depending on the state, plus some prescription medications that can help them to help them focus, and often to help with anxiety.
Or they have a reader.

The ingnorance in this thread is incredible.
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Or they have a reader.

The ingnorance in this thread is incredible.
This post is exploding with so much irony that it's killing me.
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I honestly don't see this hurting Claiborne's stock in the lack of top 10 talented defensive players in this draft. No way he falls out the top 10, Tampa and Carolina are both great fits.
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I honestly don't see this hurting Claiborne's stock in the lack of top 10 talented defensive players in this draft. No way he falls out the top 10, Tampa and Carolina are both great fits.
I agree. He's too damn good. It's just a red flag that he may be Forrest, Forrest Gump.
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Draft formula for drafting DBs:

Take their Wonderlic score and add the numerical value of the first pick in the round you expect them to be drafted in = their approximate draft position.

Claiborne: 4+1 = 5 (Bucs)
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Take their Wonderlic score and add the numerical value of the first pick in the round you expect them to be drafted in = their approximate draft position.

Claiborne: 4+1 = 5 (Bucs)
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I agree. He's too damn good. It's just a red flag that he may be Forrest, Forrest Gump.
*shrug* JPP struggles to even get to Forrest Gump, he seems to do alright for himself.
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Report earlier today stated that LSU cornerback Mo Claiborne scored a 4 on the Wonderlic test at the Combine. When a player scores that low itís an obvious red flag and clubs have to do their research on the player. Personally, I feel the league should find out who leaked the score and fire the individual. There are some things that should be kept private and this is one of them. Letís look at the process.

When Claiborne came out of high school, the schools that recruited him knew he had a learning disability. I donít know much about his disability other than it has to do with reading. Everyone I have talked to tells me that Claiborne has great character and is a great kid. He knows and understands his disability and uses all the resources that LSU has available to control it and to help him get by in the classroom. When it comes to football he puts in extra time to learn and understand his assignments and it is not a problem. Will he need reps? Probably, but no more than the usual rookie would need. In saying that, Claiborneís test score was NOT a true indicator of his intelligence. He can and does learn.

Claiborne is expected to be drafted in the top 5 of this monthís NFL Draft. What I suspect happened is a club drafting after 5 leaked the test score to try and scare off teams in the top 5 from drafting Claiborne. The clubs have known the results of these scores for weeks. If they had any questions about a player's ability to learn they have had plenty of time to do their research to feel if they are comfortable with drafting Claiborne.

The team leaking the score is hoping that the public backlash for drafting a player with such a low score will scare them off. Unfortunately, this is dirty pool but it often happens this time of year in the NFL. Just remember, if you start to hear a lot of negative things about some highly rated players in the next few weeks, itís because a team who drafts later in the round wants the player to drop so they can have an opportunity to select him.
Teams will go that far to get a top player to drop to them instead of trading up. I understand it's a business, but leaking someone's private issues, that never seemed to have an effect on his football abilities and productivity on the field, is classless.
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Teams will go that far to get a top player to drop to them instead of trading up. I understand it's a business, but leaking someone's private issues, that never seemed to have an effect on his football abilities and productivity on the field, is classless.
He means they leaked the score, not the learning disability.
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Oh please let him fall to 8!!
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That's the stupidest strategy possible.

Every team knows he got a 4 on his Wonderlic so how does leaking it change the fact that every team knows?

That's like rumoring that someone failed a drug test at the Combine...

edit: When does a team actually do something that they take the public's reaction into account? Other than Mike Vick.
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He means they leaked the score, not the learning disability.
Think he means leaking the score, and thus exposing the learning disability, is playing dirty with a kid's reputation for business purposes.
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let him fall to 30 haha
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Old 04-03-2012, 06:14 PM    (permalink
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The bigger story to me isn't the correalation between his score and his learning disability but how the F*** he got into LSU in the first place.

My god are their standards so low it's easier to get into than a community college??
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Think he means leaking the score, and thus exposing the learning disability, is playing dirty with a kid's reputation for business purposes.
that's an indirect correalation they never mentioned.

That's like saying it exposed his parents' marital problems at home.

Parents fighting = neglect = not spending enough time teaching him = low score on wonderlic.

shame on the nfl for exposing his problems at home.
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that's an indirect correalation they never mentioned.

That's like saying it exposed his parents' marital problems at home.

Parents fighting = neglect = not spending enough time teaching him = low score on wonderlic.

shame on the nfl for exposing his problems at home.
You think a learning disability and a poor test score is an indirect correlation? People are talking about a learning disability because the low test score came out. It's a test you take by yourself (reading the directions) and if you have a reading problem it's going to manifest itself. No one is saying he'd be a genius if not for some or other problem, but being that a 4 basically categorizes you as mentally handicapped, it bears mentioning he's had issues before, and they've been diagnosed. So there's a context to work within there.
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You think a learning disability and a poor test score is an indirect correlation? People are talking about a learning disability because the low test score came out. It's a test you take by yourself (reading the directions) and if you have a reading problem it's going to manifest itself. No one is saying he'd be a genius if not for some or other problem, but being that a 4 basically categorizes you as mentally handicapped, it bears mentioning he's had issues before, and they've been diagnosed. So there's a context to work within there.
regardless they never implied it. also, the nfl has every right to release information like this as well as players that failed PED tests. It's their business.

EDIT: could also be they didn't know.

happens more than you would think.
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