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View Poll Results: Do you agree with Cosell (Floyd>Blackmon)?
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Old 04-07-2012, 06:05 PM    (permalink
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Default Greg Cosell: Floyd > Blackmon

Via Cosell's Twitter:

"Asked re: Floyd. See some D. Bowe in him. Big WR with better quicks and movement the more I watched. Think I like Floyd more than Blackmon."
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(Hadn't seen this posted yet, feel free to delete if I'm mistaken)
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Maybe 80%. (10 char)

edit: Didn't see the D Bowe comparison.
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If I needed a guy who could turn into a bonafide #1 then I'd take Floyd although he has some bust potential.

If I want a solid starter who will probably give me 70 catches, 1100 yards, and 6-8 touchdowns over the majority of his career i'd take Blackmon.

I really don't get the hype with Blackmon. He had gaudy stats sure but he played in a spread system, the big 12 plays no defense, and he had a QB who would be going in the 1st round if he wasn't 28 years old.

He's not even 6'1'', not even 210 pounds, with pretty pedestrian athleticism as far as #1 NFL WR's go. Scott hit it on the head when he said he's an anquan boldin at the next level. I think that is his ceiling. Around 1000 yards, 6-8 touchdowns. That's nice, but that's more of an elite #2 type guy that an elite #1. You could probably get that production from a few 2nd rounders in this draft if they develop properly. (Randle, Jeffery, Criner, Sanu, Givens, etc.)

He's a good player, but how he's some top 5-7 lock makes no sense to me. I don't understand how NFL teams have him as a top 5 caliber prospect. He's more of a teens-early 20's type player to me. He put up nice stats in a spread system but has average measurables and won't separate nearly as easily in the NFL. That usually never equals a top 7 pick for NFL teams. It is pretty weird this year. Still don't understand how he is thought of that highly.

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I have both Floyd and Wright ahead of Blackmon.
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I do not think that any WR in this draft is deserving of a top 10 pick. Outside of the top 10 it comes down to needs of the individual team and personal taste as to how you rank them.

Blackmon has a high floor, Floyd has ability but off field risk, Hill has all the tools but questionable hands and limited opportunity, Wright is appealing but far from prototype, Randle looks great on paper but poor QB played and limited opportunity in college make him a question mark.

Pick your poison. I can see why Blackmon would be the consensus WR1 in this draft, but he is still a reach where he is currently commonly projected.
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I agree with him and I agree with Deep.
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Floyd AND Jeffery have better #1 potential imo, But Blackmon is probably the safest pick at that position, which is why he will go somwhere in the top 10 when he should go somewhere in the top 25.

I'd take Floyd over Blackmon at #6.
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If I needed a guy who could turn into a bonafide #1 then I'd take Floyd although he has some bust potential.

If I want a solid starter who will probably give me 70 catches, 1100 yards, and 6-8 touchdowns over the majority of his career i'd take Blackmon.

I really don't get the hype with Blackmon. He had gaudy stats sure but he played in a spread system, the big 12 plays no defense, and he had a QB who would be going in the 1st round if he wasn't 28 years old.

He's not even 6'1'', not even 210 pounds, with pretty pedestrian athleticism as far as #1 NFL WR's go. Scott hit it on the head when he said he's an anquan boldin at the next level. I think that is his ceiling. Around 1000 yards, 6-8 touchdowns. That's nice, but that's more of an elite #2 type guy that an elite #1. You could probably get that production from a few 2nd rounders in this draft if they develop properly. (Randle, Jeffery, Criner, Sanu, Givens, etc.)

He's a good player, but how he's some top 5-7 lock makes no sense to me. I don't understand how NFL teams have him as a top 5 caliber prospect. He's more of a teens-early 20's type player to me. He put up nice stats in a spread system but has average measurables and won't separate nearly as easily in the NFL. That usually never equals a top 7 pick for NFL teams. It is pretty weird this year. Still don't understand how he is thought of that highly.
In a lot of ways he reminds me of Michael Crabtree. Measured in shorter than expected and ran slower than people wanted, but was so productive in college he ultimately got drafted high. If you look at Michael Crabtree now, you see those physical limitations. He doesn't look fast or explosive in the NFL, and the physical advantages he had in college no longer exist. He's a decent wideout, a number two who in retrospect still could probably justify a 2nd round pick or so. But aside from the 'diva' issues following Crabs, what really distinguishes the two?
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If I want a solid starter who will probably give me 70 catches, 1100 yards, and 6-8 touchdowns over the majority of his career i'd take Blackmon.
That's not a top 10 pick, though. If you take that guy in the top 10, your franchise will go under.
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Can we please stop taking everything Greg Cosell says for money? The guy predicited JaMarcus was the next John Elways for god's sake.
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I have both Floyd and Wright ahead of Blackmon.
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That's not a top 10 pick, though. If you take that guy in the top 10, your franchise will go under.
Unless that team is the Steelers, if you put up 70 for 1,100 and 6-8 TDs for them, you end up in the Hall of Fame. :)
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I'm no expert but Blackmon reminds me a lot of Michael Crabtree.

Crabtree hasn't exactly lit the league on fire.
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Can we please stop taking everything Greg Cosell says for money? The guy predicited JaMarcus was the next John Elways for god's sake.
JaMarcus Russell has elite talent. He just doesn't care, at all. Ever.
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Someone said it a while back but Blackmon is criminally underrated on these forums.

I've seen comparisons to career underachievers like Bowe and Edwards for Floyd, and those aren't what I think of when I think #1 ( which is overrated as heck anyway). He's got great measurements and he put up numbers, but injuries and ND are kind of a turnoff. Think Rudolph will be the best offensive ND player of the recent bunch....

Blackmon isn't as physically talented as Bryant or Floyd, but he's the savviest of the three at WR. I also think he's got a little more wiggle than Floyd and will be better at breaking tackles. I'd LOVE a Boldin type of WR ad any team would in a second. Boldin's a ten tear starter who's only been slowed by injury, and Floyd is the one who's had the nagging injuries.

Personally, as many offensive players as possible by 16 is alls I ask.
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JaMarcus Russell has elite talent. He just doesn't care, at all. Ever.
That may be true, but it is part of the issue regarding Greg Cosell and other draft experts that focus only or mostly on film to determine value. If Greg Cosell fails to identify the bust potential of Russell he does not lose his job, the GM who spends the #1 overall on him likely does lose his job(in most cases).

In the NFL there are several more layers to player evaluation beyond film work and on field potential. Media draft experts tend to ignore these other layers and it often creates a false sense of value for quality players that are bust risks due to other issues.

Floyd is a decent example of this situation right now. People are raving about his potential while ignoring the fact that he is another DUI away from possibly being a wasted draft pick. Most GMs have a harder time ignoring such issues.
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That may be true, but it is part of the issue regarding Greg Cosell and other draft experts that focus only or mostly on film to determine value. If Greg Cosell fails to identify the bust potential of Russell he does not lose his job, the GM who spends the #1 overall on him likely does lose his job(in most cases).

In the NFL there are several more layers to player evaluation beyond film work and on field potential. Media draft experts tend to ignore these other layers and it often creates a false sense of value for quality players that are bust risks due to other issues.

Floyd is a decent example of this situation right now. People are raving about his potential while ignoring the fact that he is another DUI away from possibly being a wasted draft pick. Most GMs have a harder time ignoring such issues.
Good points, but Cosell admits that all of his impressions on prospects are from film only and he knows and admits that film does not present all of the evidence that teams need to draw on to make their draft selections. The guy couldn't be more forthcoming about this so if people want to blame him for being wrong when a player fails for non-football reasons, then they just don't get it.
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Unless that team is the Steelers, if you put up 70 for 1,100 and 6-8 TDs for them, you end up in the Hall of Fame. :)
Lynn Swan didn't even put up those numbers.. and he only played for like 6 years. He had a couple cool plays in the super bowl.. awesome. How he is in the Hall of Fame is a joke. I wish they could take players out. He easily has to be in the first 5 to get thrown the **** out.

Baseball is ridiculously too hard, but football is so easy it's a joke. They'll be letting good ball boys and field crews in in 20 years at this rate.
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Depends on team/scheme/coaching

Based on talent alone I choose Floyd every day, but I would also take Jeffery and Wright over him

Maybe if you're a defensive coach(Rams/Bucs) you want a guy who is less of a project so you don't have to worry about him
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Blackmon is the better receiver. Floyd has a higher ceiling but he's a head case.

Blackmon is totally #1 material. He won't blow you away with his speed but hes not dirt slow. The best WRs in the nfl usually aren't the fastest or quickest. They are a merging of a whole bunch of skills and work ethic. Blackmon is ahead of Floyd in most of those.

I'm not saying Floyd is bad but I agree with seņor gato, Blackmon is seriously underrated and that is coming from someone that undervalued big12 players due to the **** defenses in the conference.
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IMO there isn't that much difference between Blackmon and Dez Bryant.
Blackmon is closer to Dez than he is to Crabtree.
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IMO there isn't that much difference between Blackmon and Dez Bryant.
Balckmon is closer to Dez than he is to Crabtree.
Actually agree with this, though I think Dez is slightly more dynamic. From the comments I think generally Blackmon's athleticism is underrated.

Plus it's being treated as some kind of negative that he projects as "only" a Boldin type. I don't even know wtf that means....or how/why that's a negative.
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I'm not saying Floyd is bad but I agree with seņor gato, Blackmon is seriously underrated and that is coming from someone that undervalued big12 players due to the **** defenses in the conference.
How can Blackmon be underrated when everyone has him as a top 6 player? Seriously think its a no brainer who will perform better in the NFL between Floyd and Blackmon. If you ignore Floyds character issues, he is hands down the best receiver in the draft. I think Blackmon has a higher chance to bust as well. Did any corners in the big12 even play press coverage on him? Texas and OU are the only half-decent defenses in the big12 and its mostly due to their pass rush, not secondary.
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What great D has ND faced? They do play a tougher schedule but even then OkSt just put out an elite WR talet a couple of years ago. Floyd is the best WR talent since Golden Tate from ND.

Also, Bryant had the SAME speed knock as Blackmon....
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