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View Poll Results: Do you agree with Cosell (Floyd>Blackmon)?
Yes 42 49.41%
No 35 41.18%
Unsure 8 9.41%
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Old 04-08-2012, 04:03 PM    (permalink
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This is very interesting. Some good points being brought up in discussion and the poll is split 50/50 with 23 votes for Floyd and 23 for Blackmon. I wasn't aware that so many draftniks preferred Floyd over Blackmon until now...
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I was one of the unsures. Basically, I look at it like this: FLoyd is the superior physical talent, but Blackmon is a surer thing. Classic upside vs. floor.
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Are you certain that's accurate?

Now, your height can change due to sleeping. In the morning, you're the tallest you'll be during that day. As the day goes on, the pressure from the weight of your head, upper body, and gravity weigh down and compress your spine, which causes you to lose height. Then as you sleep, your spine decompresses and you gain that length back.

But you're looking at a centimeter of difference in height - maybe - and you probably won't even notice it.

An inch is a significant change, and with how shallow our society is, you'd have to think every guy would be sleeping a certain way every night so they'd be just a little bit taller. Even if you slept upside down.
Well I am done growing and when I go to the doctor for either check ups or being sick I vary from 5'11'' to 6' 1/4'' so who knows. Either way it isn't that big of a deal. It can also depend on your back, if you have lower back tightness it may decrease your height by as much as half an inch. Who knows what is scientific fact and what isn't. This really is a stupid discussion lol.

To FUNBUNCHER, I know wikipedia isn't a reliable source but it says he was 6'2 7/8'' and his OSU pro day, and I remember reading from the official NFL.com report that he measured in a shade under 6'3''. Try and google it, I don't know what else to tell you.

Either way we are really splitting hairs now. I have nothing against Blackmon, but Dez is a class above Blackmon as both a prospect and player. Dez seriously should have gone in the top 5 if he didn't get suspended. Blackmon belongs in the high teens to the low 20's.

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If i had to compare Blackmon to anyone it would be Greg Jennings. Now Jennings is a damn good WR however he isn't a guy who can dominate in any system.
From what I've seen of him, he doesn't have Jennings route running ability (which was absolutely superb even as a rookie). He also doesn't have the same type of athletic ability (at the combine, Jennings posted a 6.69 3-cone, 11.15 long-shuttle, 4.18 short-shuttle).

I haven't seen enough of Blackmon to have an honest opinion of him, but "Greg Jennings without elite C.O.D. and route running ability" isn't very inspiring.

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However, the speed comparison isn't really a great one because Boldin was a 4.71 guy and Blackmon is a 4.46 guy.
....at a Pro Day in Stillwater.
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An inch is a significant change
That's what she said. . .
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Blackmon = Boldin
Floyd = Fitzgerald

Give me Floyd all day long
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I really hate to be a downer, but Floyd absolutely does not equal Fitzgerald.
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Blackmon = Boldin
Floyd = Fitzgerald

Give me Floyd all day long
I don't really agree, more like....

Justin Blackmon = Michael Crabtree
Michael Floyd = Jordy Nelson

If your comparing any Receiver to Larry Fitzgerald in this draft it probably should be Alshon Jeffery.
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for some reason when i see justin blackmon running, i see victor cruz. probably not as fast as cruz but the run similarly
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I don't really agree, more like....

Justin Blackmon = Michael Crabtree
Michael Floyd = Jordy Nelson

If your comparing any Receiver to Larry Fitzgerald in this draft it probably should be Alshon Jeffery.
Agreed with the bold. He's the most talented WR in the draft.

Crabtree is the closest physical comparison to Blackmon amongst the recent top 10 WR picks, but I do think Blackmon will be more productive or just a better player.
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Step away from the Larry Fitzgerald comparisons in this draft. :-)
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Step away from the Larry Fitzgerald comparisons in this draft. :-)
Also agreed with this...I think the point was more that Jeffery is the best combo of talent, dominance, and health (the non-fat version obviously, depends on your opinion there) amongst the three.

Say Jeffery goes in the right direction in his draft year rather than the get fat and work it off as the draft approaches plan then he'd be the no doubt top WR. Unfortunately for him he's in his current situation.
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Blackmon isn't as good at working the outside as TO was, but he is way better at going over the middle than TO with less drops.
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Step away from the Larry Fitzgerald comparisons in this draft. :-)
Why? coming out him and Jeffery were very similiar.
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lol no god no

Fitz was worlds ahead of anyone in this draft as a WR at Pitt
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lol no god no

Fitz was worlds ahead of anyone in this draft as a WR at Pitt
No not really.

Now, sure no Receiver compares to Fitz that's coming out, but coming out of Pitt, Alshon is very similiar. Just Fitz had less red flags.
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Why? coming out him and Jeffery were very similiar.
How so? Very few draft folks didn't acknowledge Fitzgerald as a very special player who deserved to be drafted as a clear, elite talent while Jeffery may or may not even go in the first round in a receiver class that, in my opinion, does not have an elite prospect in it. I'd say that's a huge difference in talent level.

There are some similarities in their game, but Jeffery can't separate or run like Fitzgerald could, nor is he as developed as a route runner. So again, that's a huge difference to me.

And as you pointed out, Jeffery carries red flags that Fitz never had. The difference is immense.
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When coming out, there were concerns about Fitzgerald being able to seperate in the NFL.
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Alshon Jeffery - 6'3 213, 4.51 forty, 6.78 3-cone, 10'2 broad, 36.5 vert. and 4.09 short shuttle

Larry Fitzgerald - 6'3 225 (plays at 215 now) 4.53 forty, 6.94 3-cone, 10'1 broad, 35 vert. and 4.28 short shuttle

Both have questionable seperation skills, great body control, elite hands, elite at high pointing the ball, both know how to use their body to block out defenders, both had questionable work ethic coming out, didn't Larry play around 230? Both are pretty fluid for being bigger receivers, and both have Deceptive speed.
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How so? Very few draft folks didn't acknowledge Fitzgerald as a very special player who deserved to be drafted as a clear, elite talent while Jeffery may or may not even go in the first round in a receiver class that, in my opinion, does not have an elite prospect in it. I'd say that's a huge difference in talent level.

There are some similarities in their game, but Jeffery can't separate or run like Fitzgerald could, nor is he as developed as a route runner. So again, that's a huge difference to me.

And as you pointed out, Jeffery carries red flags that Fitz never had. The difference is immense.
Prospect Fitzgerald wasn't known for his speed or ability to separate...He could just outmuscle and outleap any CB he faced and did it all without causing any off field trouble or worries.
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Exactly, he played in college like a power foward. Same thing Alshon does.
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In just two seasons at Pitt, Larry Fitz produced 161 catches for 2677 yards and 34 TDs . Fitzgerald had 22 TDs his sophmore seasons alone and Jeffery has 23 for his three years combined.

I get that they both have very sticky hands, but there is a huge gap between Fitz and Alshon as prospects.
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People severely downplay the production Boldin has put out in his career. Through his first six seasons he put up in excess of 500 receptions and 6,500 yards; he missed 16 games over that span, meaning he did it in five seasons of complete work. That's 100 receptions and 1,300 yards per complete season, insane production. And before people make noise about Fitzgerald drawing coverage, Boldin had 101/1,377/8 as a rookie, quite sure the receptions/yardage are NFL rookie records.

Roddy White is another receiver with good, not great, HWS numbers, although when he was younger he had explosiveness that Blackmond has never had. Roddy also has inconsistent hands and yet has put up 471 receptions, 6,422 yards, and 42 touchdowns over the past five seasons.

I'm not saying that Blackmon will end up like either of these guys, but players don't need to be athletic freaks to be top NFL receivers. Physicality and consistency will go a long way.
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I like Michael Floyd, but all I know is this. In the biggest game of the year, he was standing on the sidelines while hurt as his team was trying to come back. Conversely, Blackmon--who we were told had a pretty troublesome leg before the bowl game--went out and played. Not only did he play--and not only did he put up huge numbers in the game and was probably the MVP of the game--but when his team got down early, he was over on the sidelines getting on his team and waking them up. And then he did what a leader does after chewing his team out-- he lead by example and made the play that turned the momentum. Meanwhile, Floyd was standing on the sidelines in a parka. That may be harsh, and it may be even unfair to some extent--but its reality in the NFL.

+1 floyd isn't tough and he isn't reliable. sure he's a great workout subject in shorts. but the game isn't played in shorts. Also fwiw what was the last Notre Dame WR to live up to hype? And im not talking about jeff the shark currently pitching for the cubs.
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