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Old 04-09-2012, 04:54 PM    (permalink
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Default CBS: Half the Top 10 Wants to Trade Down

According to Rob Rang at CBBS.

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/blog/ro...g-to-trade-out

Teams mentioned, Vikings (Spielman already made comments on the subject), Browns, Buccs, Bills and Dolphins. There could be plenty of excitement early on in the draft if these pans out, however I have my doubts how many of them could find a willing dance partner.
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Any pre-draft rumors I just take with a grain of salt.
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Honestly any team after the Colts and Browns would be willing to move down for the right offer. Luck and RG3 are locks, Richardson to Cleveland and Kalil to Minnesota are likely as well, but after that a team like Jacksonville would love to move down.
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Maybe the Patriots love somebody? Kuechly, Floyd, DeCastro, Claiborne, Richardson? **** it who am I kidding. Harrison Smith, McClellan, Kellen Moore?

If we made a play for somebody this year I wouldn't be surprised. Why? Nobody thinks we will and there are some players at the top of the class who would be great fits. There are also about 30 players with late round 1-mid round 2 grades and those are the ones Belichick loves. So trading down will probably happen again.
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Maybe we see a trade in the top five between Minnesota and Tampa. Really think Richardson is the guy the Bucs really want, and at #5 Minnesota could still get there guy Matt Kalil.
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Not a surprise, that is usually the case.

There are always FAR more teams that want to move down than up.

Those second and third rounders are just so valuable. Cheap, young starters.
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Any pre-draft rumors I just take with a grain of salt.
Especially when they come from sources that just throw stuff out there to see if it sticks. For the right price just about anyone would want to trade down wouldnt they?
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Keep in mind this is the first draft since the implementation of the rookie salary wage scale, which makes top 10 picks less expensive than in the past. That could indeed make it more enticing for teams to try to trade into the top 10.
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Keep in mind this is the first draft since the implementation of the rookie salary wage scale, which makes top 10 picks less expensive than in the past. That could indeed make it more enticing for teams to try to trade into the top 10.
This is the 2nd draft.
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Just had a thought about Minnesota. Why the hell wouldn't they take a 4th or 5th to move down to No. 4 or 5? Tampa Bay says they want Richardson, and if Cleveland does also, they pit those two teams against each other and take whatever they can get. Cleveland can't take Kalil at No. 4...
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i hate the trade down. it's a gutless way to go through life. Stick and take the elite talent.
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I could see the Lions being a suitor to move up this year. Especially if nothing is panning out with the Cliff Avril deal. They'd maybe be interested in moving up for Morris Claiborne or Trent Richardson. Even though, the possibility is pretty remote from a value standpoint. Pretty expensive getting up into the top 10.

On a side note, if there are a few (2-3) top 10 trade outs, does that mean Tannehill's stock suddenly slips? Maybe the Browns at 22?
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i hate the trade down. it's a gutless way to go through life. Stick and take the elite talent.
I should just say that I have no comment, but what if there is nobody there that the team picking considers an "elite talent". Trade down and get more picks that offer more value.

Either that your you can end up with a team that has a handful of awesome players, a bunch of busts, and not many solid starters or much depth. Teams that are willing to trade down will probably at least end up with solid starters and depth. Not saying it is a neccessity to trade down, but at least be flexible and make the smart decision with the circumstances at hand.
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I should just say that I have no comment, but what if there is nobody there that the team picking considers an "elite talent". Trade down and get more picks that offer more value.

Either that your you can end up with a team that has a handful of awesome players, a bunch of busts, and not many solid starters or much depth. Teams that are willing to trade down will probably at least end up with solid starters and depth. Not saying it is a neccessity to trade down, but at least be flexible and make the smart decision with the circumstances at hand.
the trade down doesn't solve big problems. you aren't gonna find a franchise QB, a starting LT or a pass rush demon by trading down. I mean yeah it's possible in the sense that Tom Brady was a 6th round pick but overall I'd rather the team have conviction and "reach" for a player (like how the Jags did with Alualu). Who cares if a guy goes 10 or 20 or 30? all that matters is can he play?
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Bill Polian said on Sirius NFL radio this was an overall weak draft class and he only saw 16 first round talents in it.

So take that for what it is worth.
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Bill Polian said on Sirius NFL radio this was an overall weak draft class and he only saw 16 first round talents in it.

So take that for what it is worth.

Yea, I guess there can't be a Tshimanga Biakabutuka in the draft every year. :)

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Bill Polian said on Sirius NFL radio this was an overall weak draft class and he only saw 16 first round talents in it.

So take that for what it is worth.
I will take that to mean that he doesn't know what he's talking about.
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I think the Titans have said they see about 25ish 1st round talents in this draft. I'll go with them over Polian.

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Don't see a ton of excitement with this rumour. Way to go out on a limb here.

When it comes down to, teams want to sync their biggest need with the best player available. Odds are, the perfect mesh of this is not going to fall into your laps. The Vikings are an interesting case. It seems to be a consensus that both CB and LT are a need and it seems they are poised to pick the third and fourth best prospects in the draft in a need. Why move down other than a pick or so unless they are far from sold on either Kalil or Claiborne.

On the other hand, if I were the Browns, I would drop down as much as possible. Picking up claiborne would be a nice thing to have, but the Browns have upper echelon talent at Kalil and Claiborne's position already. Objectively I think either Blackmon or Floyd are the best fit to need, but in a normal draft, they should not be the best player available at pick four.
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Just had a thought about Minnesota. Why the hell wouldn't they take a 4th or 5th to move down to No. 4 or 5? Tampa Bay says they want Richardson, and if Cleveland does also, they pit those two teams against each other and take whatever they can get. Cleveland can't take Kalil at No. 4...
Because Cleveland and Tampa Bay have numerous options which they like and won't be giving up draft picks which they desperately need. Just too many weaknesses on both teams.
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Bill Polian said on Sirius NFL radio this was an overall weak draft class and he only saw 16 first round talents in it.

So take that for what it is worth.
I've heard that there are 23 first rounders in this draft but why quibble. I think the draft is strong for 3 picks at the top then drops off considerably in the next 3 picks. Picks 7-18 look like they are pretty even in talent and that makes trading back extremely difficult for teams sitting 4-10. Teams aren't going to trade up if they can get just as good a prospect where they are currently drafting.
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There will be elite talent take after #10.
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the trade down doesn't solve big problems. you aren't gonna find a franchise QB, a starting LT or a pass rush demon by trading down. I mean yeah it's possible in the sense that Tom Brady was a 6th round pick but overall I'd rather the team have conviction and "reach" for a player (like how the Jags did with Alualu). Who cares if a guy goes 10 or 20 or 30? all that matters is can he play?
So you're saying you aren't going to find a franchise QB, LT, or pass rusher by trading down? If you like a guy who doesn't project to go very early, why not trade down and add more picks. So do you think the draft should only be one round? Yes the top talents will generally go early, but what separates the good teams from the rest is being able to find value in guys later in the draft.

Elite QBs right now are probably Brady, Rodgers, Brees, Eli, Stafford, Rivers, Big Ben, Cutler, and Peyton depending on how you view the injury stuff. Teams traded picks before all but the Mannings and Stafford were picked. I think the consensus top 3 QB's right now are Rodgers, Brees, and Brady and there were definitely opportunities to trade down before they were picked. Yeah again top prospects go first, but smart teams see the ability of guys that dumb teams won't.

I won't get in to left tackles. Elite left tackles are a luxury, look at the success of the Browns with Joe Thomas and Miami with Jake Long. Would Brees, Rodgers, Brady, and the Mannings benefit from an elite LT? Probably, but they win without them.

Best pass rushers? Jared Allen, D Ware, Trent Cole, Suggs, JPP, Tuck, Woodley, Hali, Dumervil, Orakpo...I don't know pretty much all the elite guys besides Peppers and Mario could have been taken if a team wanted to trade down. Cam Wake was taken out of Canada for Christ's sake.

All in all I am not disputing there is talent at the top, but there is talent elsewhere too. That is the job of the people who really are supposed to disect the draft. Find the guys who aren't top 10 picks and make them into pros, and if you can trade down and add more pieces then why not. I don't understand your arguement.
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Because Cleveland and Tampa Bay have numerous options which they like and won't be giving up draft picks which they desperately need. Just too many weaknesses on both teams.
If I'm Tampa and I want TRich more than Claiborne (which they probably do), why the hell wouldn't I be willing to part with a 4th to get him? And if I'm Minnesota, I still get Kalil....
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I could agree with Pollian if he's talking about players that had both production in college and adequate triangle numbers to back that up. I haven't counted, but I've not been impressed with this crop at all.
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