Weeden in 1st Round? - Page 12

YAYareaRB · 04-27-2012, 02:01 PM

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Originally Posted by SRogers92

Weeden's a system QB playing against some of the worst defenses week in and week out in the country. Good luck Browns.

pump your breaks. big 12 aint the conference of the defense but they are farrrrr from the worst in the country

Asteinebach · 04-27-2012, 02:11 PM

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Originally Posted by YAYareaRB

pump your breaks. big 12 aint the conference of the defense but they are farrrrr from the worst in the country

Let's be truthful, the Big 12 has fallen from grace quite a bit. Texas, Oklahoma, Baylor, not a lot of elite defensive prospects there nowadays.

Asteinebach · 04-27-2012, 02:15 PM

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Originally Posted by onejayhawk

Younger yes. Better, no. The ONLY younger QB that might be better is short of 5'11".

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You and I will never agree on that. Cousins is the better QB prospect. Teams have fallen in love with Weeden over his demeanor and his size. He's got an inch on Cousins, and about 10 pounds. The arm strength is there on both prospects, both guys have made questionable decisions at times, and both guys possess similar athletic numbers. About .05 difference in the 40 time.

Whatever team takes Cousins gets a future starter. The Browns went out and got themselves a bust. His best friend in the world better be Trent Richardson. Richardson is going to gobble up 400+ carries this year.

Iamcanadian · 04-27-2012, 02:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Asteinebach

You and I will never agree on that. Cousins is the better QB prospect. Teams have fallen in love with Weeden over his demeanor and his size. He's got an inch on Cousins, and about 10 pounds. The arm strength is there on both prospects, both guys have made questionable decisions at times, and both guys possess similar athletic numbers. About .05 difference in the 40 time.

Whatever team takes Cousins gets a future starter. The Browns went out and got themselves a bust. His best friend in the world better be Trent Richardson. Richardson is going to gobble up 400+ carries this year.

Cousins has zero chance to be a starter in the NFL. Weedon has the stronger arm and would have been a much higher pick if he was 22. I don't think he will bust unless his shoulder gives out but Weedon has such a short career aherad of him as an effective starter that round 1 was a ridiculous place to pick him.
It smells like Lerner demanded a starting QB and Holmgren/Heckert followed orders.

Raiderz4Life · 04-27-2012, 02:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Iamcanadian

Cousins has zero chance to be a starter in the NFL. Weedon has the stronger arm and would have been a much higher pick if he was 22. I don't think he will bust unless his shoulder gives out but Weedon has such a short career aherad of him as an effective starter that round 1 was a ridiculous place to pick him.
It smells like Lerner demanded a starting QB and Holmgren/Heckert followed orders.

I wish people would stop crapping out this ******** from their gtdamned mouths. Its total ******** cuz he's not a very good prospect any way you cut it. Wether he was 22 25 or 29 it doesn't matter it was a terrible terrible pick and Cleveland is going to suffer because of it.

And can you at least get the ******* name right? Seriously...how hard is it? WEEDEN not DON. Its on the name of the freaking thread.

Asteinebach · 04-27-2012, 02:39 PM

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Originally Posted by raiderz4life

I wish people would stop crapping out this ******** from their gtdamned mouths. Its total ******** cuz he's not a very good prospect any way you cut it. Wether he was 22 25 or 29 it doesn't matter it was a terrible terrible pick and Cleveland is going to suffer because of it.

And can you at least get the ******* name right? Seriously...how hard is it? WEEDEN not DON. Its on the name of the freaking thread.

Someone get this guy his prozac.

Just kidding mate, no hard feelings.

I disagree that Cousins isn't a starting caliber QB. I watched every game of his as a Spartan, and I watched him in HS as well (he went to HS 15 miles away from my hometown). He is as sharp a prospect as you can ever ask. He might be the smartest football QB in the draft. He's studious and hard-working. The physical talent is there, I just see Cousins as having an edge in work ethic.

Iamcanadian · 04-27-2012, 02:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Asteinebach

Someone get this guy his prozac.

Just kidding mate, no hard feelings.

I disagree that Cousins isn't a starting caliber QB. I watched every game of his as a Spartan, and I watched him in HS as well (he went to HS 15 miles away from my hometown). He is as sharp a prospect as you can ever ask. He might be the smartest football QB in the draft. He's studious and hard-working. The physical talent is there, I just see Cousins as having an edge in work ethic.

Well, I can see where the hope comes from but I have to disagree. I like Michigan St. too and watched a lot of his games and he is just way too inconsistent especially on deep passes to ever start in the NFL unless the starter gets injured. He's a career backup at best IMO.

jojo · 04-27-2012, 02:46 PM

The knock on Weeden is he caves under pressure in the pocket.

That will shorten his already short NFL career.

I thought Holmgren knew WTF he was doing. That's what I get for thinking.

Babylon · 04-27-2012, 02:50 PM

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Originally Posted by jojo

The knock on Weeden is he caves under pressure in the pocket.

That will shorten his already short NFL career.

I thought Holmgren knew WTF he was doing. That's what I get for thinking.

System guy for me, has had arm troubles, older than dirt. Not a lot to hang your hat on if you're the Browns justifying a first round pick. I figured they'd wait a year on a QB otherwise go all in for Griffin or take Tannehill. Like you, not sure there was a lot of thought that went into this.

WCH · 04-27-2012, 02:56 PM

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Originally Posted by jojo

The knock on Weeden is he caves under pressure in the pocket.

That will shorten his already short NFL career.

I thought Holmgren knew WTF he was doing. That's what I get for thinking.

He's a great coach. One of the best ever. That said, all of his good QBs were drafted by Bill Walsh or Ron Wolf.

Mufasa · 04-27-2012, 03:58 PM

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Originally Posted by WCH

He's a great coach. One of the best ever. That said, all of his good QBs were drafted by Bill Walsh or Ron Wolf.

Actually, Ken Herock drafted Brett Favre. But yeah, still Wolf's move to trade for him.

D-Unit · 04-27-2012, 04:00 PM

I think Weeden is fine, I just didn't like the move to trade up to get him.

Brodeur · 04-27-2012, 04:01 PM

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Originally Posted by D-Unit

I think Weeden is fine, I just didn't like the move to trade up to get him.

They didn't trade up to get him...

Shane P. Hallam · 04-27-2012, 04:02 PM

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Originally Posted by D-Unit

I think Weeden is fine, I just didn't like the move to trade up to get him.

They didn't trade up, got him at 22.

Rosebud · 04-27-2012, 04:03 PM

So I've just gotta pop in and say that the Browns made me so happy yesterday. **** that POS city and pathetic excuse for a franchise. This is going to be hilariously sad and I can't wait to see the futility which is cleveland sports.

fear the elf · 04-27-2012, 04:07 PM

You are a mean person

Rosebud · 04-27-2012, 04:14 PM

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Originally Posted by fear the elf

You are a mean person

Cleveland deserves nothing but the worst.

BuckeyeDan17 · 04-27-2012, 04:19 PM

When we go 2-14 this year I really hope Holmgren's fat ******* ass gets fired. I'm not even bothering with the season because of this selection. I already discussed this in another thread. We ******* passed on the best offensive linemen available and we took this dipshit? Get the **** outta here I still can't believe this happened.

Leon Sandcastle · 04-27-2012, 04:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Rosebud

Cleveland deserves nothing but the worst.

Someone give you a Cleveland Steamer and tell you it was Alton Brown Chocolate Ice Cream bro?

Donnie D · 04-27-2012, 04:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Iamcanadian

What really scares me is the thought that after drafting Weedon,it is very unlikely that they draft a QB next year or even the year after. We are stuck for better or worse with Weedon for at least another 2 seasons and even if he comes through, how long will he continue to be truly effective.

that assumes Holgrem/Heckert are even in charge next year. Weedon is going to be the uncontested starter as soon as they trade McCoy. the Browns are going to lose the majority of their games again this season. and the Cleveland FO could very well end up getting cleared out.

and really, the only rival for the no.1 pick next year are the Colts, and theyre not going to take a QB, so itll be irrelevant in any case.

Monomach · 04-27-2012, 05:06 PM

I'm kind of with Bill Walsh on this. He always said something like "if he's worth taking, he's worth taking, I don't care what round."

BUT

I don't feel Weeden's worth taking. The only QBs I saw in this draft that I thought had a chance of being anything in the long run were Luck, Griffin, Tannehill, and Osweiler.

Rosebud · 04-27-2012, 05:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Wide Right

Someone give you a Cleveland Steamer and tell you it was Alton Brown Chocolate Ice Cream bro?

Nah just had to live there for a while and used to drive through ohio a lot en route from Chicago to Buffalo. It really sucks there...like makes Indiana seem welcoming bad...

Asteinebach · 04-27-2012, 05:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Rosebud

Nah just had to live there for a while and used to drive through ohio a lot en route from Chicago to Buffalo. It really sucks there...like makes Indiana seem welcoming bad...

No argument here. I won't even patronize businesses in Ohio if I'm driving through. I literally fill up on gas before I cross the state line.

twiz · 04-27-2012, 05:22 PM

Geez. Talk about some irrational comments...

Anyway, I wouldn't be surprised if Cleveland took a second QB this draft. There's no one behind McCoy (dont you dare mention Senaca), and maybe Weeden allows you to develop someone.

njx9 · 04-27-2012, 05:24 PM

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Originally Posted by twiz

Geez. Talk about some irrational comments...

Anyway, I wouldn't be surprised if Cleveland took a second QB this draft. There's no one behind McCoy (dont you dare mention Senaca), and maybe Weeden allows you to develop someone.

yes, while you're busy developing weeden, you can develop another qb at the same time. one that might actually have a chance to develop before he retires.