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Old 06-03-2012, 05:26 PM    (permalink
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I've always envisioned neutral as a distinct faction. It's not evil or good, regardless if the neutral role leans more one way than the other. Good for me always equals the town, evil always equals the mafia, neutral is neither.
It makes complete sense that an SK would come back as evil.
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Old 06-03-2012, 05:28 PM    (permalink
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It makes complete sense that an SK would come back as evil.
I could see it going either way. Regardless, you've been up in the zombie draft for a little while now.
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Old 06-03-2012, 05:30 PM    (permalink
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I could see it going either way. Regardless, you've been up in the zombie draft for a little while now.
I'd personally consider that a huge mistake on BD's part, but each to their own. Sleepy time.
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Old 06-03-2012, 05:31 PM    (permalink
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If Brodeur had said I do not belong to an evil faction, then I could see the result sent out as correct.
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Old 06-03-2012, 05:35 PM    (permalink
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I'd personally consider that a huge mistake on BD's part, but each to their own. Sleepy time.
Except I wasn't trying to be evil, and all I wanted to do was kill 4 people from the town/2 mafia members. If that had happened, it wouldn't have mattered from there on out who won for me.
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Old 06-03-2012, 05:36 PM    (permalink
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Except I wasn't trying to be evil, and all I wanted to do was kill 4 people from the town/2 mafia members. If that had happened, it wouldn't have mattered from there on out who won for me.
Regardless of your intention, I still think it should have come back a lie. I mean, a serial killer is basically as evil a role that you can get.
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My opinion is that a SK should only come back evil if there is an equal faction (ie - vigilante) on the "good" side. Otherwise, he should be considered neutral as he does not care who wins as long as he doesn't die.
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Old 06-03-2012, 05:41 PM    (permalink
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My opinion is that a SK should only come back evil if there is an equal faction (ie - vigilante) on the "good" side. Otherwise, he should be considered neutral as he does not care who wins as long as he doesn't die.
usually a SK wins if he is the only one left or the town doesnt have majority anymore. He is basically playing against everyone.
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usually a SK wins if he is the only one left or the town doesnt have majority anymore. He is basically playing against everyone.
Which means he is neither good, nor evil.
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Old 06-03-2012, 05:46 PM    (permalink
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Regardless of your intention, I still think it should have come back a lie. I mean, a serial killer is basically as evil a role that you can get.
I agree with this. I think I even mentioned it when making the argument during the game. A serial killer is evil, but it depended on Bulldogs' judgment.
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Old 06-03-2012, 05:47 PM    (permalink
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Which means he is neither good, nor evil.
Which is my point. I wasn't against the town as I wasn't trying to doom them, nor did I give a **** about the Mafia. I only cared about myself, which made me neutral. Probably evil-neutral, but the Mafia should be considered strictly evil in these games and I think Bulldogs did it right.
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Old 06-03-2012, 05:48 PM    (permalink
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I think Bulldogs made the right call on a SK not being evil. If the question was, "against the town" then it should have shown up.
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Which means he is neither good, nor evil.
He belongs to neither of those factions, but he is still 'evil'.
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He belongs to neither of those factions, but he is still 'evil'.
You'll always find something to complain about won't you?
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As a relative newb to the game I wasn't remotely surprised that the lie detector result on Brody was answered the way it was. I like the way BD played that, and felt stupid for not putting the pieces together that D-Unit brothed it up and ****** us all.
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As a relative newb to the game I wasn't remotely surprised that the lie detector result on Brody was answered the way it was. I like the way BD played that, and felt stupid for not putting the pieces together that D-Unit brothed it up and ****** us all.
D may have picked the wrong thing to lie detect but he told you ever quote he used. Never fully trust anybody in these games unless you are masoned or evil. D is not to blame, the sheeple of the town are.
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Ouch, axed for being relatively inactive on day one. That's harsh. I'm usually always pretty inactive the first day as occasionally I forget to subscribe to the game thread but I was also mainly using my phone to post in the zombie apocalypse draft and hence I wasn't really looking at the other parts of the forums.

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SKs are not playing with the town. They dont want town to win. Town cant win if SK is alive. They are playing alone. Therefore not pro town. They dont want town to win. Anti-town. Anti-town = evil. Survivors dont care what happens. Town wins even if survivor is alive. Neutral.

In this case, since i assume he needed to kill a certain amount of people and could still win if the town wins i suppose the ruling is alright, but i ddont understand how the game wasnt done once all mafias were killed, since he only one once one fraction wins and he kills the amount of people.
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:') took me all gtdamn day but...finally unlocked Auron's Masamune lol
Nice. I was planning to start a FF marathon over the summer and bought a used copy of 7 to begin with. Now with Dawnguard coming out, I may need to pick Skyrim back up and get a character ready for that...

But I'm going to finish 7 first. I'm kicking it's ass. I'm at the point where I should go to the temple of the ancients and so far...

- I got Blade Beam before the first boss. Was about halfway to Meteorain but had to stop because a thunderstorm was moving in and I needed to get to a save point. Got Meteorain in the train graveyard shortly thereafter at least.

- Beat the Battle Arena at Gold Saucer right after getting the buggy. Got the Championship Belt, Speedy Shoes, Speed Plus Materia and Preemptive Materia.

- Leveled up like crazy (2-3 hours spent) against the Sea Worms on the southeastern beaches. (Ton of experience, 5000 gil and 200 AP. I had double materia growth equipment on all my characters so I maxed out damn near everything.)

- Speaking of which, included in my mastered materia are 3 HP Pluses so all my characters have +50%, as well as mastered Steal materia so everyone now has mug.

- Got Omni-Slash right after getting the Tiny Bronco and I went to Wutai and beat the battle pagoda, so Yuffie has All Creation. Tifa also has all her limits through level 3.

I'm just beasting the hell out of the game right now. I love it that I can enjoy a 15 year old game this much.
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HP plus is my least favorite "..." plus to master.
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