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You need guys to eat up blockers and its more of a passing league than it has been in the past. To me, Suh is our Ngata. Him and Fairley are both capable of demanding regular double teams. Think SF with Justin Smith and a bunch of journeymen NTs. Jean-Francois,Dorsey etc.
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Does anyone else get the sense that offense is most likely going to be our focus in the draft after the way this coaching search went down?

All focus seems to be on Stafford's development, and if they specifically went after coaches in an attempt to help him, would they really go in a different direction in the draft?

I personally think I am falling in love with the idea of adding Mack or Mosley to our already solid front 7. But, I just keep thinking that they are going to put an emphasis on giving Stafford everything he needs to succeed.

I'd say early favorites for our pick have to be Watkins, Ebron or Evans.
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Definitely. While they will make some defensive moves this offseason, they will likely prioritize adding 1-2 WRs and a starting caliber TE(possibly even if Pettigrew is back)
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WR2 that is number 1 WR caliber would be make this offense explode and provide depth in case Calvin gets hurt (see our 9 and 13 pt performances without him this year). Mayhew has failed with Young and Broyles (not all his fault, some unforseen injury and circumstances). WR is our biggest need and neither of those guys were number 1 material anyway. Lions need a slot too if they lose Burleson to the cap and Broyles perma hurt.

I think Ansah and Fairley being a little more consistent and dominant is what this defense truly needs. Suh, Levy and Tulloch did a good job in 2013.
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Agreed I'd expect the defense to improve significantly just from improvement of the guys we have right now. But if we draft defense at #10 I think you'd have a dominant defense which certainly interests me.

Personally I think the only WR i'd take at #10 is Watkins unless someone else really raises his stock between now and draft day. After him, if we were dedicated to going offense I think I would go with Ebron and then get a WR in the 2nd or 3rd. There's about 10-12 WRs in this draft that could start across from Calvin and put up very good numbers IMO.
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I just can't see a rush LB on the field much wiht Tulloch and Levy's coverage skills. Plus Palmer did a good job in run defense on run downs. Ansah, Jones, Taylor,Fairley,Suh,Mosely is good with room to improve too with the young guys. We'll see what they do with Willie Young. He quietly had a good year. Comes down to the cap and his market value.

Secondary is the only defensive position I see at 10. If you don't believe in Houston reverting to 2010-2012 form or Slay developing then you could go CB at 10. Plus maybe Mathis back for a year. He was underrated IMO. Wouldn't hurt to have 3-4 CBs that can be starters really. Bentley is clearly only a nickel slot guy. Green and Greenwood showed some nice things but I wouldn't trust them starting the majority of the year quite yet.

Agree there are 10-12 WRs that can produce as number 2s and number 3s. But Lions having another number 1 type playing number 2 would be great not only to make the offense more explosive and make life easier for Stafford (tight windows with Durham/Burleson/Broyles covered). Plus it's great for depth if Calvin gets hurt. Which is much needed per his 2013 games missed. 2 games missed in a tight division can kill you.
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With all the depth at WR and TE I think the value is to wait till round 2-4 for those spots and free up #10 for something else unless Sammy falls to that spot.
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Roddy/Julio, Nicks/Cruz(not this year with Nicks), Harrison/Wayne(back in old Indy days), Nelson/Cobb/Jones, Marshall/Jeffrey. Their separation makes life easier for their QBs.

Those guys should make you want to have two studs at WR, not just Calvin and a decent productive 2nd round guy. I know Millen tried this and failed but doesn't mean a 2014 WR 1st round top 10 good prospect will be the same. is there one in this draft is the question?
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With all the depth at WR and TE I think the value is to wait till round 2-4 for those spots and free up #10 for something else unless Sammy falls to that spot.
Agreed there needs to be value. That top 10 WR pick has to fall to 10. If he's not there then you can go BPA in a number of areas. Tackle, CB, Safety(depening on Delmas contract), heck even DE (depending on Willie Young in free agency, jason Jones injury and how you feel about Taylor playing more).
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Roddy/Julio, Nicks/Cruz(not this year with Nicks), Harrison/Wayne(back in old Indy days), Nelson/Cobb/Jones, Marshall/Jeffrey. Their separation makes life easier for their QBs.

Those guys should make you want to have two studs at WR, not just Calvin and a decent productive 2nd round guy. I know Millen tried this and failed but doesn't mean a 2014 WR 1st round top 10 good prospect will be the same. is there one in this draft is the question?
Victor Cruz- undrafted
Jordy Nelson- 2nd rounder
Randall Cobb- 2nd rounder
James Jones- 3rd rounder
Brandon Marshall (on his third team)- 4th rounder
Alshon Jeffrey- 2nd rounder

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As a falcons fan first there is no doubt the inj to our star WR's really hurt Ryan and the offense this year. Most people will say its the OL fault and that is true but still we really missed have 2 pro bowl WR on the team.

TE may not be a need if Pettigrew is resigned but if he isnt adding a WR at 10 like Evans and then a TE at the top of round 2 like AJS would really help out the offense.
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Brandon Marshall (on his third team)- 4th rounder
Alshon Jeffrey- 2nd rounder

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Mayhew isn't the greatest at finding those guys though with Derrick Williams, Young and Broyles. I think pick 10 is his best bet to get the height weight and speed we need. He doesn't miss in the 1st.

I can name tons of CBs and Safeties and to a lesser extent Tackles and DEs that didn't come from Round 1 too.

The value has to be there. They need a height weight speed guy at WR.
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Completely agree. If you can spread out the defense the talent on your oline doesn't mean as much because the defense is concerned with coverage, not pressure.

Take Denver's oline, they're patched together of training camp additions and cast offs. They even lost their franchise LT for the year and didn't miss a beat.

An additional WR threat is essential and we do need to find it. But Brodeur's point is also spot on, do we really need to invest such a high pick on a WR just to have him be the side kick to Calvin?

To add to that point, Calvin is on a level of his own in terms of WRs. No matter who we put across from him, he will still take atleast 2 defenders. Why do we assume that a guy like Jordan Mathews or Odell Beckham or Davonte Adams can't become that weapon when they will always be the after thought of the defense anyway?
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Mayhew isn't the greatest at finding those guys though with Derrick Williams, Young and Broyles. I think pick 10 is his best bet to get the height weight and speed we need. He doesn't miss in the 1st.
Agreed but the only one of those that failed in terms of talent was Derrick Williams. Mayhew failed to see that Titus was a psycho. WIth Broyles Mayhew was just ignorant and ignored chronic knee issues. But overall, Titus and Broyles showed great ability in terms of their football ability
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I guess we are disagreeing what we want. You want a very proudctive number 2. I want a number 2 that can be a number 1 if Calvin doesn't play. I just don't see Mayhew picking tha in Round 2(at least in the short term). I think he has to stick to Round 1 for that in 2014.
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I guess we are disagreeing what we want. You want a very proudctive number 2. I want a number 2 that can be a number 1 if Calvin doesn't play. I just don't see Mayhew picking tha in Round 2(at least in the short term). I think he has to stick to Round 1 for that in 2014.
I mean that is certainly what I want as well. If Watkins is there I want him. If Watkins isn't there I don't think there's a huge drop off between guys like Lee, Evans, Benjamin and the guys like Adams, Beckham, Mathews, Cooks (and about 3-4 other guys). Time will tell the order of all these guys are bound to change once we see measurements and 40 times. But I think all of these guys are starting WRs and are capable of starting in year 1. Especially across from Calvin.

That's why I am saying if Watkins is off the board I wouldn't mind Ebron being the pick over say Mike Evans. If you use him appropriately he is essentially a WR2. But obviously if we resign Pettigrew we can erase him from our board completely.
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I'd love for Ebron to be on our team next year.
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I'd love for Ebron to be on our team next year.
You have to wonder if the Lombardi hire ups the chances of Ebron at 10. I know it's all an assumption but coming from an offense that featured Jimmy Graham and having a TE on the board at 10 that has the tool-set to be a player of his caliber.

I've flip flopped on the idea of Ebron a lot. But if we ran an offense that could take advantage of him and Fauria in the middle with Calvin on the outside I think we would be pretty dominant on offense.
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At this point, I'm pretty all in on the TEs. I love Amaro just as much as Ebron. Sometimes I think maybe more. He is just so good at knowing where he should be, getting there, and catching the ball. He really gets passing game concepts. I think he's another Dallas Clark or Jason Witten with less blocking.

Plus I hear we might go hard after Maclin, so that would take care of WR.
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Maclin certainly fits the bill of what we'd want as a WR2. Coming off a knee injury he's a gamble that should also allow us to get him at a discount and maybe a short term "prove it" type deal.

Saints have always had numerous WRs and Jimmy Graham as their weapons. I think even if we did get maclin or another FA WR, we'd still take one in the 3rd or 4th.
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Yeah its going to be tough to sign any free agents this season even if we cut Nate and Louis Delmas (freeing up 11 mil) we still would have to renegotiate with suh to get anyone.
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Yeah Suh needs a new deal and hopefully it isn't much worse than Geno Atkins deal because I thought that was pretty fair for Cinci.

Cap room can be created after that with the right moves. I expect Burleson to renegotiate, his dead money if we cut him is going to be 2 mil, might as well try and keep him around as a WR2.

I think we will cut Delmas and this would be the first big change to our draft needs. I just don't see how we pay him that much when we can't rely on his knees. We got luck last year but that is no reason to give him an extension. Hopefully he would renegotiate and bring that number down, but assuming he won't, he's gone IMO.

Jason Jones and Leroy Harris free up 4 mil as well. So there is some flexibility for us to fit a Free Agent or 2 in.

I think if we do in fact cut Delmas, we are more likely to add a Safety in the draft than a CB. Houston is locked in this year because we actually lose money if we cut him. There are some young corners that we may just have to hope develop further to give us a solid CBs corps under the new DC who is a DBs guy. For as much money we had invested in our secondary (Delmas, Quinn, Houston) we should have had a much better pass defense plain and simple. This Houston contract may haunt us for a while given our cap situation.
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Yeah its going to be tough to sign any free agents this season even if we cut Nate and Louis Delmas (freeing up 11 mil) we still would have to renegotiate with suh to get anyone.
You can restructure Calvin, Tulloch and Houston and get around 7 million in room too and not hurt the future that badly really. It's not all hinging on a Suh extension. They could do both the restructure and extensions and have a good amount of room.

Some interesting decisions with Pettigrew, Willie Young, Delmas and Shaun Hill though. Tough offseason to call with a new coaching staff.
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No way you restructure Tulloch or Houston. Houston struggled badly and Tulloch is getting up there in age. You don't want to screw up your future to free up a small amount of short term money there.

You gotta cut Burleson(or cut his salary down to 1 mil), probably Delmas plus a few guys like Leroy Harris and Montell Owens. Throw in a Suh restructure and hope the cap goes up at least enough to cover your draft picks. If you can give yourself 10-15 million in cap space to play with in free agency you'd be in great shape.

Also we restructured Calvin last year, so not sure you do that again so soon either.
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No way you restructure Tulloch or Houston. Houston struggled badly and Tulloch is getting up there in age. You don't want to screw up your future to free up a small amount of short term money there.

You gotta cut Burleson(or cut his salary down to 1 mil), probably Delmas plus a few guys like Leroy Harris and Montell Owens. Throw in a Suh restructure and hope the cap goes up at least enough to cover your draft picks. If you can give yourself 10-15 million in cap space to play with in free agency you'd be in great shape.

Also we restructured Calvin last year, so not sure you do that again so soon either.
Tulloch and Houston restructures aren't killers at all. 600 K added each year the remaing years. each Calvin 800 k added to each year. Not killers at all. Suh extension(not restructure) is best but I bet 2 or 3 of those guys get restructured especially if Suh deal not done until later in offseason. If not Chris Houston, then Quin or Bush since they play better.
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