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Old 04-29-2012, 07:18 PM    (permalink
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They say Beachum can Long Snap ... so he'll take the long snapper roster spot... but be able to provide oline help IF needed... that's at least what i read
Hmm, interesting. I dunno how well a 300 lbs. guy can run down the field, but I guess it could happen. I still think he's a PS player though.
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Old 04-29-2012, 07:19 PM    (permalink
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I'll say Nick Toon. The Saints seem to only hit on guys that go to schools I've never heard of (We picked a guy from Vagina in the 3rd round apparently).
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I guess I'll go with 7th round pick Jerome Long. Not because I think he'll necessarily be bad, but because I don't see him sticking with the team. We're pretty deep at 5tech as it stands right now.
Way to take a risk vidae. In that case, I'll take my teams crappy 7th round pick Drake Dunsmore.
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Way to take a risk vidae. In that case, I'll take my teams crappy 7th round pick Drake Dunsmore.
Most of our guys are going to be depth so it'll be hard for them to "succeed" in the first place. Only Poe and Allen are going to be starters in the near future and I'm high on them for obvious reasons.

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Most of our guys are going to be depth so it'll be hard for them to "succeed" in the first place. Only Poe and Allen are going to be starters in the near future and I'm high on them for obvious reasons.

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Most of our guys are going to be depth so it'll be hard for them to "succeed" in the first place. Only Poe and Allen are going to be starters in the near future and I'm high on them for obvious reasons.

Come at me you jerk.
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Should've just picked Poe. He has a high bust rate.
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for the pats, everyone after round 1 for me will bust, except i can see dennard sticking around for a little while
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Are you serious? When you pick a guy in the first round you expect them to be a solid starter for 10 years. If you're picking top 10 you want him to be a pro bowler.

All of these guys have been busts.
i'm glad everything has to be black and white regarding the NFL draft and bust status
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Should've just picked Poe. He has a high bust rate.
There's really not much grounds for that... Can't think of any first round 3-4 NTs that haven't worked out well.

Off the top of my head, the only ones I can even think of that have been drafted in the first round are Casey Hampton, Ted Washington, Vince Wilfork, Haloti Ngata, and BJ Raji.
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There's really not much grounds for that... Can't think of any first round 3-4 NTs that haven't worked out well.

Off the top of my head, the only ones I can even think of that have been drafted in the first round are Casey Hampton, Ted Washington, Vince Wilfork, Haloti Ngata, and BJ Raji.
You don't think Poe has a high bust rate? Poe is easily one of the biggest boom/bust players in this draft. He has huge potential, but just because others have succeeded, doesn't mean he will.
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Fail is a relative term. Many fans seem to think that any player who isn't above average, whatever average is, is a failure. I believe you have to take into account the investment made by the team. A 7th rounder who becomes an average starter should not be judged the same way as a 1st rounder who becomes an average starter.

That being said, many fans won't be happy unless Lamar Holmes becomes an above average starting tackle. He seems most likely among the Falcons Draft picks to be perceived as a fail.
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You don't think Poe has a high bust rate? Poe is easily one of the biggest boom/bust players in this draft. He has huge potential, but just because others have succeeded, doesn't mean he will.
Poe had three different defensive coordinators in three years at Memphis. He is boom or bust, but he has never had proper coaching in his life. And you can't teach the measurables.

I'm betting on RAC on this one. But of course I would, so shut up Caddy! :D
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If I had to bet, I'd probably bet against Alshon Jeffery and Brandon Hardin becoming productive starters. But we'll see.
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If I had to take a guess, it'll be WR Devon Wylie.

Small, skinny WR that already has injury concerns? Sounds like an easy bet to me.
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Ah, I remember everyone on here commenting how Aaron Curry would be a sure fire lock, and now look at him.
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I'd say he's clearly a bust right now, but he could turn it around I guess. Compared to other tackles (or other players, for that matter) taken Top 5 in previous years, he hasn't done anything noteworthy.

He's also probably one of the worst tackles out of all the ones selected in the first two rounds in 2009. Eugene Monroe, Michael Oher, Phil Loadholt, Sebastian Vollmer, give me any of those guys before Smith. Maybe even Andre Smith too.

He's been injured, so you could call him an Injury Bust, but the fact of the matter is that he hasn't lived up to the expectations of a second overall pick.
I would def take Andre Smith over him right now. Andre Smith has been a solid Right tackle after his injuries.
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Not yet. They say he's healthy and looks good. The Rams new o-line coach said it was his poor technique that was hindering him too. He said Smith would try to punish the defender on each play, instead of just trying to block him. He said he can fix Smith's flaws and Smith will be a really good RT.

You Rams fans are starting to get as bad as Bucs fans around here. Every pick was a projected 1st rounder in some form or fashion and the crappy players on your team are only crappy because of bad coaching, injuries, or no talent around them. Everyone is a really good player deep down.


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for the pats, everyone after round 1 for me will bust, except i can see dennard sticking around for a little while
I agree with this except Dennard. He'll also bust.
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All of em. Our entire draft was really boom or bust. We went with a lot of project players.
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Tavon Wilson is as safe of a bet as they come for that one. We've been developing a large portfolio of defensive backs who don't stick with the team for very long with second and third round picks. After the pick, I did some real preliminary work on him on him and I just don't see it. Combining that with our track record on defensive backs and that we likely could have had him three rounds later(to be conservative), it just doesn't smell good to me.
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Lavonte David. He'll get blocked pretty easily in the NFL.
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I hate to go with such a late pick, but it would have to be Tommy Streeter for the Ravens. He doesn't play special teams and he's a bit of a project, although what he can do right now (run vertical/deep routes) fits in well with Cameron's system. Osemele would be next on my list. He has all the physical tools to be a nice guard but his technique needs a lot of refinement. Other than Upshaw the rest of the picks were depth/special teams players so it's kind of hard seeing them not living up to that expectation.
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Frank Alexander for the Panthers. History tells us that players Marty Hurney trades a future draft pick to get the past few years (Jeff Otah, Everette Brown, Armanti Edwards) haven't panned out.
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You Rams fans are starting to get as bad as Bucs fans around here. Every pick was a projected 1st rounder in some form or fashion and the crappy players on your team are only crappy because of bad coaching, injuries, or no talent around them. Everyone is a really good player deep down.


Did I miss anything?


I was just repeating what the Rams new o-line coach said about Smith.
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