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Old 04-26-2013, 12:42 AM    (permalink
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Pugh and Long had first round grades. They were smaller reaches than Frederick.

And you not calling it a bad pick because he could turn out ok is flawed logic.

Would you have called Lattimore a bad pick at 31? Mathieu? Duke Williams?

Yes, you would have.

Why? Because you could have selected another player at 31 and still gotten those other guys later.

Why is that such a hard concept to understand. It was a reach. Panic. BAD PICK.
I would be willing to bet long and Pugh had more folks putting them in the 2nd than the first.

It's not that I don't understand your oh so complicated concept. It's that I disagree with it.

If you take a guy in the 2nd round that had a 4th round grade and he is a solid starter for 10 years, that was not a bad pick. It's the 4th round grade that was flawed.
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Casserly and Mayock both had 1st round grades on them.
You guys don't have it put in the right perspective. Guys like that TRY THEIR DAMNEDEST to GUESS what NFL teams will do and THEN they will put together their rankings.

If they knew the boards of NFL teams, then they would INSTANTLY change their rankings.

It's not the other way around where their rankings are the predictor of what NFL teams should do.

If they get inside info on some team wanting a certain player, BOOM that guy flies up their rankings.
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I'm more upset about the trade, we got fleeced by SF. No way should you move down halfway through the 1st round and only receive a 3rd. Hate that.

Can't be mad with Frederick though. My #1 want this off-season was to forge a strong run game and he's one of the best run blockers in this draft. We've struggled with creating movement inside since 2009, this is a step in the right direction.
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I'm more upset about the trade, we got fleeced by SF. No way should you move down halfway through the 1st round and only receive a 3rd. Hate that.

Can't be mad with Frederick though. My #1 want this off-season was to forge a strong run game and he's one of the best run blockers in this draft. We've struggled with creating movement inside since 2009, this is a step in the right direction.
I def agree we didn't get enough on the trade.
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I cant be mad about drafting a center. We have needed one for 20 years. Center is not just a physical position. This guy is smart and Callahan can work with him. We need consistency there. I wanted Cooper, but we would have had to mortgage our day two picks to get there. We can address S and RB tomorrow and maybe still add another OT.

Not a sexy pick,but I ain't mad.
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The biggest thing I'm wondering about this guy is if he's got heart. The Cowboys have had a huge heart problem for years now, so I want to see a guy that will grind and play big when it counts. He's a smart guy going by his Wonderlic score and how he transitioned from multiple positions, so I'm hoping that he is a guy with heart and leadership as well. No more quiet **** on the sideline.
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Love or hate the pick.....it is what it is. So instead of just complaining just look for tomorrow and see what we can do. The draft s not an F...and many people are just mad at the initial reaction. If he starts from Day 1 and contribuate nobody will say anything. Just cause u get drafted in round 1..doesn't mean u are a star.....go back and look at other years and you will not be surprised to find many players who did not pan out....SO CHILL OUT AND JUST SUUPPORT THE TEAM.

2nd Day......we can still get some quality picks...we have an extra 3 round pick which is the 12 pick in the round plus our 19th.....so we have 3 picks tomorrow. Peace out.
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Frederick was a reach at #31, I don't feel they panicked. I knew/heard they had Frederick as the top Center prospect per BB.

Whoever they would have taken at #31 would have been a reach. All 2nd rd. graded players, my opinion.
Would have traded back, but no action on the phones leading up to the pick.

Garrett talked of Frederick versatility playing both OG and C at Wisconsin. Nope, pencil this guy in at Center! He starts........has too.

The trade back from #18 & the lack of value we got is what took the wind out of my sail.
Should have received the #31 and a 2nd from SF or the #31 and a 3rd and 4th rd picks per the chart.

Cowboys Team shop already has Frederick #70 jersey for sale on team website
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Yeah, I totally get that the value was bad on the trade. It's not like we're blinding ourselves against any all criticism against the Cowboys because we're "homers".

We got a big burly OC with brainy smarts who is proven. Love Big Ten OL! Wisconsin no less.
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These are players for tomorrow:

Cyprien - longshot but who knows...
J. Hunter WR- longshot do we need him
Short - DT we do need another DL men
Bernard -RB maybe too early
Franklin-RB maybe....not sure if we like him
P Thomas - Safety
Swearinger- Safety
Terrance williams WR
M. Weaton WR
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There are still a long list of prospects who could easily have gone round 1, it would be nice if we got one.
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Yeah, I totally get that the value was bad on the trade. It's not like we're blinding ourselves against any all criticism against the Cowboys because we're "homers".

We got a big burly OC with brainy smarts who is proven. Love Big Ten OL! Wisconsin no less.
but were stuck with lesser players at other positions that we needed too, specifically d-line. o-line isn't the only need we have, by trading back and not addressing it we will only ensuring we'll be in desperate need of d-line like we were with the o-line this year. if frederick isn't there, then warford or thomas or even your man-crush barrett jones would still be there.

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Yeah, I totally get that the value was bad on the trade. It's not like we're blinding ourselves against any all criticism against the Cowboys because we're "homers".

We got a big burly OC with brainy smarts who is proven. Love Big Ten OL! Wisconsin no less.
His 5.5 something 40, suggests to me he will play OG in ther NFL and not OC. It sure looks like the ZBS won't be the main blocking scheme in Dallas.
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Lol. Love all these justifications.

So please, since you've all been touting the ZBS and how we can't have a guy like Fluker and how Warmack isn't an ideal pick , please please tell me how the least athletic guy of all the OL is a fit?

I agree 40s don't matter for Center, but when you have the second slowest time in the entire combine, you obviously lack athleticism. So how does he fit in the ZBS everyone has a boner for?

You all want confidence and heart, we get a guy who comes in and one of the first things he says after being drafted is "I thought I was kinda a second round guy"

Lol. So the player himself thinks he was a second rounder? And he doesn't fit the scheme.

Wow. Just wow. Have fun selling yourselves on another bad pick.

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In the draft forum under the winners/losers thread, the Cowboys are the one team everyone is picking as a loser.

Does it not raise a red flag with you guys that no one is praising the pick other than fans of the team? Can you really lack that much objectivity?
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but were stuck with lesser players at other positions that we needed too, specifically d-line. o-line isn't the only need we have, by trading back and not addressing it we will only ensuring we'll be in desperate need of d-line like we were with the o-line this year. if frederick isn't there, then warford or thomas or even your man-crush barrett jones would still be there.
At 18, I wanted a TE or WR. To end up with a C at 31... I can't really complain.

I know you've wanted DT, but I have never been on board with DT throughout this process and you know that. The only way I'd want one is if an elite talent fell to us. When Richardson was gone and Star got drafted ahead of us, I was done thinking of DTs.

I wish we could've traded up for Cooper or Warmack but we still got interior OL help.

The only elite talent that I think we passed on was Eifert. Everyone else has something to knock on.
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A lot of 2nd Rounders were picked in the 1st Round.
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In the draft forum under the winners/losers thread, the Cowboys are the one team everyone is picking as a loser.

Does it not raise a red flag with you guys that no one is praising the pick other than fans of the team? Can you really lack that much objectivity?
Worst pick was EJ Manuel, imo.
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Just a quick thought: Not sure how I feel about the pick but it brought back a memory. Patriots and Belicheck trading down to the late 1st... And taking a guy that some rated as a 3rd round guard, most as a 2nd round....Logan Mankins.... It's worked pretty well for them considering every analyst was screaming reach.

Not saying this guy will be as good as Mankins, but who's to say we didn't have him graded as a high 2nd rounder and had a feeling he wouldn't make it to our next pick? If he starts and is consistent for 10 years it's a great pick.
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Mankins......u are right! Everybody grilled Belicheck and now look at him. A player just neeeds to go out and play. If Garrettt puts him in and he plays...which he will everybody will say great pick. :)
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You guys don't have it put in the right perspective. Guys like that TRY THEIR DAMNEDEST to GUESS what NFL teams will do and THEN they will put together their rankings.

If they knew the boards of NFL teams, then they would INSTANTLY change their rankings.

It's not the other way around where their rankings are the predictor of what NFL teams should do.

If they get inside info on some team wanting a certain player, BOOM that guy flies up their rankings.
I don't believe so. Ted Sundquist and Charley Casserly are both former GM's. they could care less about correctly mocking a player. They are ranking them as they would if they were running a team.

Sundquist told me immediately after the 49ers picked Reid that he didnt have him as a first rounder. And he maintained that through out the entire pre draft process despite the hype Reid gained after his pro day.

Casserly has a guy like Ansah he has consistently said he wouldn't take in the top 20 because he's too risky. Despite what everyone else is saying.

They are truthful in their evals.
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The trade was terrible, the pick was a reach. That said, I am with D Unit, interior O Line has been a shambles for so long, this may finally fix it. You can say all you want Frederick would be there at 47, but no guarantee.

If we have a strong day 2 with 3 good value picks, I'll be happy.
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And everybody is saying that SF got a steal with Reid. I don't think Reid is anything special. I don't think he will be a superstar, but with SF he will be a solid player. It just depends which team picks u.....
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Just a quick thought: Not sure how I feel about the pick but it brought back a memory. Patriots and Belicheck trading down to the late 1st... And taking a guy that some rated as a 3rd round guard, most as a 2nd round....Logan Mankins.... It's worked pretty well for them considering every analyst was screaming reach.

Not saying this guy will be as good as Mankins, but who's to say we didn't have him graded as a high 2nd rounder and had a feeling he wouldn't make it to our next pick? If he starts and is consistent for 10 years it's a great pick.
According to Stephen the Cowboys had 19 players with 1st round grades. Frederick was supposedly the highest ranked player on the board at the time.

Stephen also claims the Cowboys got more value than they should have in the trade based on the current draft chart.

So basically he's full of BS and said what every team says. We got our guy and we came out on top in the trade.
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