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Good move 17 21.79%
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They should have waited later to get another QB or signed an UDFA 12 15.38%
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Old 05-01-2012, 08:33 PM    (permalink
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Default Redskins Drafting Kirk Cousins?

I thought this was one of the odd decisions on draft weekend. After trading up with the Rams every draft pick the Redskins have is crucial. After drafting RG III #2 overall they took Kirk Cousins in Round 4. I want to hear SWDC's opinion on this move.
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There had to be another need and player on the board that will end up making more of an impact than Cousins for the Redskins. A CB or OL probably would have been the better way to go, I guess Cousins is good value if RG3 turns out to be a Mike Vick type QB where he rarely last the full 16 game season.
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I think it was possibly the worst pick of the entire draft. You don't invest that much into a QB and then draft another guy who is regarded by many as a top 5 QB later on.

People say it won't create competition and that RG3 is the clear-cut starter, but that's entirely wrong. Imagine how the media and fan base are going to react when RG3 starts throwing picks left and right. For a team that invested so much into one player, it's is not only wrong to create competition for them, but it is downright stupid. Their picks need to be used on other positions, because they will run thin and they aren't an all-star team.

It not only puts a time-cap on RG3, but if he gets injured and Cousins comes in and plays significantly better, then you're going to split the fanbase. It's just stupid and disrespectful. If you are willing to invest that much into somebody, then you should be willing to give them ample time to develop into the player that they can potentially be. Without creating controversy.
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I don't see the big deal. Players who play like RGIII don't have very good durability (see Vick, Cunningham) and he's already got a torn ACL on his record. What happens when RGIII goes down? You put in Rex Grossman? Ha. Look at what happened to the Colts, Bears and Eagles this year, they all bottomed out without their star quarterbacks. And Kirk Cousins is a PERFECT back-up type who puts the team above himself and can take care of the ball. And lets say that Kirk Cousins outgrows the back-up QB spot down the line, you can trade him for picks worth much more than the 4th round pick you spent on him (see Kolb, Feeley, Cassell, Whithurst).

And if RGIII busts and Kirk Cousins replaces him, its a fantastic pick. I have no idea how people are spinning that negatively. Is RGIII going to bust because of Kirk Cousins? Please, if RGIII busts its on him and good on the Redskins for hedging their bets and having a competent replacement lined up. And who gives a rat's ass if it splits the Redskins' fan base, are they running the team? White noise.
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I'm ultra high on Kirk Cousins (his flaws are highly correctable) but you just used a premium pick to draft a backup QB when you have a young, developmental QB that you just used the 2nd overall pick on when your offense is depleted and you have a severely limited draft portfolio?

This is a brilliant move if this is your first year. It's not. You could easily be fired in a year if RG3 looks terrible. Or two if he takes longer to develop. Shanahan will never see the benefit from drafting Cousins.
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I understand it but don't agree with it. Grossman is a decent enough backup, Cousins isn't going to beat him out this year. I get that QB is the biggest problem area on the three-deep but unless you're taking someone really interesting in round 4 you're just as well picking someone off the street. Cousins isn't very exciting and if you're already conceding this guy is a backup before he even plays then you're probably better off just passing on him.
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RGIII isn't a run-if-my-first-read-is-covered QB, like Vick was at Va Tech and for most of his career in Atlanta.
Griffin ran a lot because of Baylor's offense. They were designed runs for the most part. Usually Grif moves the pocket to get WRs open, not because he's panicking.

I don't like the pick and believe SHanny was trying to be too smart by half.
If Grif is the player most fans expect him to be, Cousins should be a non-factor.

But anyone who thinks Cousins and RGIII won't be competing against each other isn't playing close attention.
They're both rookie QBs who believe in their hearts they should be starting. Because of this dynamic, if RGIII has more than a couple bad games in a row it's very possible Shanahan will get nuts with a QB rotation.

Ball out, Grif, and everything will take care of itself.

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I don't really see the big deal. They used a 4th rounder on Cousins. He was the BPA on their board in the 4th round. They had a great draft haul in the 2011 draft. They got three quality O-Linemen in this draft. They signed 2 solid WRs and addressed the safety position in free agency. They have good depth at CB. The holes their are not as bad as people are making them out to be.
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There's only one thing better than having a good quarterback on your roster, and that's having two good quarterbacks on your roster

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I understand it's a great safety net and it could eventually net them a higher pick in the future by trading away Cousins, but if you're going to trade away as many premium picks for your future QB, then you need to use all of your resources on surrounding him with more talent to help make him a better player. Grabbing competition is a dumb move. Sure, it's nice to have that safety net, but if you're going all in on somebody, then you need to fully commit to that decision.
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I'm ultra high on Kirk Cousins (his flaws are highly correctable) but you just used a premium pick to draft a backup QB when you have a young, developmental QB that you just used the 2nd overall pick on when your offense is depleted and you have a severely limited draft portfolio?
4th round is a premium pick all of a sudden?

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Grabbing competition is a dumb move. Sure, it's nice to have that safety net, but if you're going all in on somebody, then you need to fully commit to that decision.
The Redskins did not "grab competition". The Redskins FO has been very clear since the pick that there is no competition. Cousins was drafted to be a backup.

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Cousins isn't very exciting and if you're already conceding this guy is a backup before he even plays then you're probably better off just passing on him.
Please tell me one quarterback drafted after the second round that was drafted to be the starter???? Sure, some have become starters, but no coach drafts a quarterback in the mid rounds and says this guy is going to be our starter!

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People say it won't create competition and that RG3 is the clear-cut starter, but that's entirely wrong. Imagine how the media and fan base are going to react when RG3 starts throwing picks left and right.
You are way off here and it's hard to explain unless you are from DC and have been a fan for 10+ years. NO ONE is going to be clamoring for Grossman or Kirk or fill in the blank in this area no matter what. Not this year, not next year. If 3 years from now, RG3 looks terrible, which i doubt but for the sake of the argument, then he deserves competition at that point.

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I understand it's a great safety net and it could eventually net them a higher pick in the future by trading away Cousins, but if you're going to trade away as many premium picks for your future QB, then you need to use all of your resources on surrounding him with more talent to help make him a better player. Grabbing competition is a dumb move. Sure, it's nice to have that safety net, but if you're going all in on somebody, then you need to fully commit to that decision.
And what did you want in the 4th round that was going to be this savior to sorround RG3? The Skins have CLEARLY committed to RG3 in every way. Shanahan added 3 OL in the draft that he was very high on. Thats the thing with Shanahans ZBS, you get great value on guys that fit the system. I find it VERY difficult to think of any player that would have been drafted in the 4th that would have been this all mighty talent to help RG3 beyond already bringing in Garcon and Morgan and drafting 3 Olineman...Clearly there was no need to look at TE or RB.
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If RGIII struggles and looks lost, of course you're going to hear voices in D.C. that suggest Cousins should be given a shot.

These guys are both rookie QBs. In their hearts and heads, every practice, every snap, they're going to be competing against each other.

No rookie consents to be the backup to another rookie.
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You are way off here and it's hard to explain unless you are from DC and have been a fan for 10+ years. NO ONE is going to be clamoring for Grossman or Kirk or fill in the blank in this area no matter what. Not this year, not next year. If 3 years from now, RG3 looks terrible, which i doubt but for the sake of the argument, then he deserves competition at that point.
Let's just speculate that RG3 emulates Blaine Gabbert's rookie season. Do you really think questions won't arise the following off-season? Obviously, if he plays that bad the Redskins would be happy to have Kirk Cousins on their roster, but when you're going all-in like they did, then you need to take the risks that come with it and give him time. He's not safe for 3 years by any means. He's in a position where he better play good or he's gonna' risk losing his job. I don't care what the FO says, because their actions obviously tell a different story. Even under the scenario that RG3 does turn out to be the biggest draft bust of all time and Kirk Cousins ends up being a decent QB, they're not going to get the picks that they risked to grab RG3 back.


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And what did you want in the 4th round that was going to be this savior to sorround RG3? The Skins have CLEARLY committed to RG3 in every way. Shanahan added 3 OL in the draft that he was very high on. Thats the thing with Shanahans ZBS, you get great value on guys that fit the system. I find it VERY difficult to think of any player that would have been drafted in the 4th that would have been this all mighty talent to help RG3 beyond already bringing in Garcon and Morgan and drafting 3 Olineman...Clearly there was no need to look at TE or RB.
There are always players available at other positions that can develop into quality role-players/potential starters. Also, who said his help had to come from the offense? There were several very good defensive players still available in the 4th round. With a shortage on premium picks, it would be smarter to look for better depth on both sides of the ball that can come in compete than grabbing a back-up QB.

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It occurred to me it really is Not A Big Deal b/c he might not make the final roster anyway.
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He will make the final roster.
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its a silly strategy drafting a QB with the hopes to groom and trade him....but when you REALLY think about it they are getting a potentially good backup QB and after selling their souls for RG3 theres a change that they can recoup some of those picks if a QB needy team sees something they like in cousins in 2 years....its been happening a lot lately

If his name was matt cousins it would be a lock (Shaub, Cassel, Flynn...i made a funny)

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It is very rare that someone finds an immediate starter in round 4. Finding a solid backup at that point (for any position) is a good pick.
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I don't see the big deal. Players who play like RGIII don't have very good durability (see Vick, Cunningham) and he's already got a torn ACL on his record. What happens when RGIII goes down? You put in Rex Grossman? Ha. Look at what happened to the Colts, Bears and Eagles this year, they all bottomed out without their star quarterbacks. And Kirk Cousins is a PERFECT back-up type who puts the team above himself and can take care of the ball. And lets say that Kirk Cousins outgrows the back-up QB spot down the line, you can trade him for picks worth much more than the 4th round pick you spent on him (see Kolb, Feeley, Cassell, Whithurst).

And if RGIII busts and Kirk Cousins replaces him, its a fantastic pick. I have no idea how people are spinning that negatively. Is RGIII going to bust because of Kirk Cousins? Please, if RGIII busts its on him and good on the Redskins for hedging their bets and having a competent replacement lined up. And who gives a rat's ass if it splits the Redskins' fan base, are they running the team? White noise.
If you're that concerned with RGIII's durability, then you don't give up three first round picks and second to draft him. I don't have a problem using a 4th round pick on a quality back up, but I think the Redskins should've gambled on a potential starter given their situation (no second round pick, no 1st round pick in 2013 or 2014).
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Shanahan went BPA on his big board for the Cousins pick. He said he was too talented to pass up. Anyone who is claiming this divides the team or the fan base is an idiot. They will carry 3 QBs this year and dump Rex next year. No one is going to be calling for Cousins no matter how bad of a year RG3 has this year. Or next year for that matter. Rex is not a decent back up. He is downright awful and Shanny knows that. He's seen it first hand. The people making a big deal out of it are only looking for an axe to grind. There is no QB controversy and there won't be one unless you see a complete falling on his face for RG3. Listen or read anything on the kid and you will see even that is a total long shot.

And this "4th round pick=premium pick" is a friggin joke. He brought in 2 new WRs for him. Shanny got all 3 OL that he wanted from the beginning. He got more depth at ILB which we lacked the most and took two secondary developmental players. Not to mention Minnifield, when healthy is a late first to third round talent. So if they want to risk one pick in the fourth round then go for it. A team is only as good as their backup QB. No debating that. Is that fourth round pick going to set the franchise back years? No. Hell you don't even know if that player they would have talent instead would even make the final roster.
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In 2012, Grossman is better than Cousins.
I don't get that Rex is a BAD backup QB. He's too turnover prone to start, but he did beat the Giants twice and knows Kyle's offense.

He's the ideal backup. Just like Jason Campbell. Your backup QB isn't supposed to be a future starter necessarily. He's a spot start guy in case of an emergency, not the guy who potentially can quarterback your team to the SB.
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after seeing the trade hauls that were gotten for Matt Schaub, Matt Cassel, and Kevin Kolb, one cant go wrong with drafting backup QB's to trade away in the future. the fact that Cousins lasted past the first 3 rounds doesnt suddenly change his value as a starter.

one only has to remember that this offseason, people were even talking of trading for Brian Hoyer for crying out loud. as long as Cousins shows some glimpse of potential, which he should, he will make good trade bait.
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I have no issue with this pick. They drafted a back-up. He's young, in a few years if he has a few solid games if RG3 gets hurt they will be able to trade him for more than what they paid for. It's an investment for the future and a current back up. With a 4th rounder, that is perfectly fine.
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I believe out of all the QB's starting in the NFL, only 9 or 10 haven't been 1st rounders and 3 of those were drafted in round 7 and 1 was a FA. So drafting a QB in rounds 2-6 carries almost no chance you will get much although there have been exceptions like in any rule.
So, I'd have to say it was a wasted pick.
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I get what they were thinking, you need a solid backup QB, Cousins fell and the Redskins drafted him because they believed he was a good value. On the other hand, they don't have the luxury of drafting another QB to develop behind RGIII. I don't think it was the right pick, odds are you won't find starters in the 4th, but still, draft players to build around RGIII.
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this was really just the redskins stopping the eagles from drafting cousins, touting him as the next QB that makes andy reid light up like a christmas tree, manipulating a QB needy team into trading 2 first rounders and a cornerstone all-pro player for him.

strategy, trying to put an end to the eagles raping teams with backup QBs
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