Top 5 of Each Position (Defense) - Page 4

bigbluedefense · 05-14-2012, 09:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Bob Sanders Dreadlock

Hate you Bill Polian. I wanted him so bad.

I wanted him bad too. Can't say I hate Jerry Reese though.

Funny you mention it though, I thought that Geno and Daryl Washington were both locks to be Colts. I thought both would fit that defense like a glove.

Can you imagine a dline with Mathis and Freeney on the edges with Geno in the middle, and Daryl Washington playing the role of Derrick Brooks at WILL?

It would be sick.

VernonLawson89 · 05-14-2012, 10:43 PM

BaLLiN · 05-15-2012, 01:48 AM

My list solely based off of last year:

4-3

DE
1.Jared Allen
2.Jason Pierre Paul
3.Julius Peppers
4.Trent Cole
5.Jason Babin
6. Chris Long
7. Cliff Avril
8. Chris Clemons
9. Justin Tuck
10. Elvis Dumervil

DT
1.Ndamukong Suh
2. Geno Atkins
3.Richard Seymour
4.Jurrell Casey
5.Tommy Kelly
6.Ahtyba Rubin
7. Kevin Williams
8. Domata Peko
9. Karl Klug
10. Marcell Dareus

OLB
1.Von Miller
2.Lance Briggs
3.Chad Greenway
4.Sean Weatherspoon
5. Michael Boley
6. James Anderson
7. Daryl Smith
8. DJ Williams
9. Leroy Hill
10. DeAndre Levy

MLB
1.London Fletcher
2.D’Qwell Jackson
3.Brian Urlacher
4.Curtis Lofton
5.James Laurinaitis
6.Paul Posluszny
7.Rolando McClain
8. Stephen Tulloch
9. David Hawthorne
10. Pat Angerer

3-4

DE
1.Justin Smith
2.Haloti Ngata
3.Calais Campbell
4.JJ Watt
5. Darnell Dockett
6. Glenn Dorsey
7.Ray McDonald
8. Tyson Jackson
9. Randy Starks
10. Cory Redding

NT
1.Vince Wilfork
2.BJ Raji
3.Sione Pouha
4.Isaac Sopoaga
5.Cam Thomas
6. Jay Ratliff
7.Casey Hampton
8.Terrence Cody
9. Antonio Garay
10. Kelly Gregg

Really hard to do...

OLB
1.Terrell Suggs
2.Tamba Hali
3.DeMarcus Ware
4.Lamar Woodley
5.Aldon Smith
6.Clay Matthews
7.James Harrison
8.Cameron Wake
9. Antwuan Barnes
10. Jarret Johnson/Conor Barwin

ILB
1.Patrick Willis
2.Navorro Bowman
3.Lawrence Timmons
4.Sean Lee
5. Nick Barnett
6. Brian Cushing
7.David Harris
8. Derrick Johnson
9. Jerod Mayo
10.Karlos Dansby

CB
1.Darrelle Revis
2.Jonathon Joseph
3.Joe Haden
4.Ladarius Webb
5. Carlos Rogers
6. Corey Webster
7. Charles Woodson
8. Nnamdi Asomguha
9. Brandon Browner
10. Brandon Flowers

FS
1.Eric Weddle
2.Ed Reed
3. Reggie Nelson
4. Earl Thomas
5. Dashon Goldson
6 Kenny Phillips
7. Jarius Byrd
8. Malcolm Jenkins
9. Thomas Decoud
10. Oshiomogho Atogwe

SS
1. Kam Chancellor
2.Troy Polamalu
3.Roman Harper
4. Tyvon Branch
5. George Wilson
6. Adrian Wilson
7. Charles Godfrey
8. Charlie Peprah
9. Donte Whitner
10....

Brodeur · 05-15-2012, 02:16 AM

I would like to take the time to point out that Suh is not that good. He was outplayed frequently last year by Corey Williams, and is nowhere near the best 4-3 DT in the league.

21ST · 05-15-2012, 06:34 AM

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Originally Posted by BaLLiN

My list solely based off of last year:

4-3

DE
1.Jared Allen
2.Jason Pierre Paul
3.Julius Peppers
4.Trent Cole
5.Jason Babin
6. Chris Long
7. Cliff Avril
8. Chris Clemons
9. Justin Tuck
10. Elvis Dumervil

DT
1.Ndamukong Suh
2. Geno Atkins
3.Richard Seymour
4.Jurrell Casey
5.Tommy Kelly
6.Ahtyba Rubin
7. Kevin Williams
8. Domata Peko
9. Karl Klug
10. Marcell Dareus

OLB
1.Von Miller
2.Lance Briggs
3.Chad Greenway
4.Sean Weatherspoon
5. Michael Boley
6. James Anderson
7. Daryl Smith
8. DJ Williams
9. Leroy Hill
10. DeAndre Levy

MLB
1.London Fletcher
2.D’Qwell Jackson
3.Brian Urlacher
4.Curtis Lofton
5.James Laurinaitis
6.Paul Posluszny
7.Rolando McClain
8. Stephen Tulloch
9. David Hawthorne
10. Pat Angerer

3-4

DE
1.Justin Smith
2.Haloti Ngata
3.Calais Campbell
4.JJ Watt
5. Darnell Dockett
6. Glenn Dorsey
7.Ray McDonald
8. Tyson Jackson
9. Randy Starks
10. Cory Redding

NT
1.Vince Wilfork
2.BJ Raji
3.Sione Pouha
4.Isaac Sopoaga
5.Cam Thomas
6. Jay Ratliff
7.Casey Hampton
8.Terrence Cody
9. Antonio Garay
10. Kelly Gregg

Really hard to do...

OLB
1.Terrell Suggs
2.Tamba Hali
3.DeMarcus Ware
4.Lamar Woodley
5.Aldon Smith
6.Clay Matthews
7.James Harrison
8.Cameron Wake
9. Antwuan Barnes
10. Jarret Johnson/Conor Barwin

ILB
1.Patrick Willis
2.Navorro Bowman
3.Lawrence Timmons
4.Sean Lee
5. Nick Barnett
6. Brian Cushing
7.David Harris
8. Derrick Johnson
9. Jerod Mayo
10.Karlos Dansby

CB
1.Darrelle Revis
2.Jonathon Joseph
3.Joe Haden
4.Ladarius Webb
5. Carlos Rogers
6. Corey Webster
7. Charles Woodson
8. Nnamdi Asomguha
9. Brandon Browner
10. Brandon Flowers

FS
1.Eric Weddle
2.Ed Reed
3. Reggie Nelson
4. Earl Thomas
5. Dashon Goldson
6 Kenny Phillips
7. Jarius Byrd
8. Malcolm Jenkins
9. Thomas Decoud
10. Oshiomogho Atogwe

SS
1. Kam Chancellor
2.Troy Polamalu
3.Roman Harper
4. Tyvon Branch
5. George Wilson
6. Adrian Wilson
7. Charles Godfrey
8. Charlie Peprah
9. Donte Whitner
10....

London Fletcher doesn't play in a 4-3

bearfan · 05-15-2012, 07:20 AM

I am curious as I have not seen Von Miller play, how does he top the OLB lists after one year?

Rosebud · 05-15-2012, 07:47 AM

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Originally Posted by bearfan

I am curious as I have not seen Von Miller play, how does he top the OLB lists after one year?

Great blitzer/ass rusher, strong against the run with natural cover skills. He had an exceptional rookie year and already plays like Marcus Washington, in a couple years we could be talking about the absolute best linebacker in the NfL.

bigbluedefense · 05-15-2012, 08:02 AM

I second the notion on Suh being overrated. Don't get me wrong, I love Suh and hope he has a bounceback year, but he didn't have a very good year last year. He was pretty mediocre.

Plus I'm concerned about all the off field stuff. This guy just doesn't get it off the field, and I didn't see that coming. Now he's doing a dating reality show? Get it together Suh. Work on that pass rush.

Go_Eagles77 · 05-15-2012, 09:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Rosebud

Great blitzer/ass rusher, strong against the run with natural cover skills. He had an exceptional rookie year and already plays like Marcus Washington, in a couple years we could be talking about the absolute best linebacker in the NfL.

WCH · 05-15-2012, 12:22 PM

There aren't enough good ass rushers in the NFL.

senormysterioso · 05-15-2012, 12:29 PM

4-3

DE
1.Jared Allen
2.Julius Peppers
3.Jason Pierre Paul
4.Jason Babin
5.Trent Cole

DT
1.Ndamukong Suh
2.Kevin Williams
3.Geno Atkins
4.Richard Seymour
5. Kyle Williams

OLB
1.Von Miller
2.Lance Briggs
3.Sean Weatherspoon
4.Chad Greenway
5.Daryl Smith

MLB
1.Brian Urlacher
2.D’Qwell Jackson
3.Curtis Lofton
4.London Fletcher
5.James Laurinaitis

3-4

DE
1.Haloti Ngata
2.Justin Smith
3.JJ Watt
4.Calais Campbell
5.Ray McDonald

NT
1.Vince Wilfork
2.BJ Raji
3.Sione Pouha
4.Jay Ratliff
5.Cam Thomas

OLB
1.Terrell Suggs
2.DeMarcus Ware
3.Clay Matthews
4.Tamba Hali
5.Aldon Smith

ILB
1.Patrick Willis
2.Jerod Mayo
3.Lawrence Timmons
4.Navorro Bowman
5.Sean Lee

CB
1.Darrelle Revis
2.Nnamdi Asomugah
3.Jonathon Joseph
4.Charles Woodson
5.Joe Haden

S
1.Ed Reed
2.Adrian Wilson
3.Eric Weddle
4.Troy Polamalu
5.Kam Chancellor

scar988 · 05-15-2012, 01:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Bulldogs

Come on now, this is getting ridiculous. Just like Thomas Decoud is a top 10 safety right now right? To say Grimes and Samuel are easily two of the top 5 corners makes you one of the biggest homers on the board. I'd say both readily deserve a spot in the top 10 (arguable in Samuel's case) but you go way overboard on this. A top 5 corner would not have been traded for a 7th round pick. Babineaux also regressed last season.

Again, no other corners in the NFL allowed less than 5.00 yards per attempt. Both of these guys allowed under 4.61 yards per attempt. idk about you but a corners first job is to cover.

Decoud is a top 10 Free Safety. not safety in general.

scar988 · 05-15-2012, 01:19 PM

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Originally Posted by scottyboy

go away scar, nobody misses your homerism.

I wouldn't rank Samuel a top 5 corner because I like my corners to be able to at least pretend to tackle.

and if he's an eagle, you don't put his name there.

2 things:
1) I know you missed me for things like the NFFL and FWF... or do we forget so quickly... and oh yeah, I got a pocket full of ***** and there's a reason for it
2) As an eagle, I put his name in there too. in a heartbeat. Again, under 5.00 yards per attempt. only 4 guys to get there the past 4 years are Asomugha, Revis, Grimes and Samuel... those 4 are 4 of my top 5 corners in the NFL

ATLDirtyBirds · 05-15-2012, 01:21 PM

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Originally Posted by bigbluedefense

I second the notion on Suh being overrated. Don't get me wrong, I love Suh and hope he has a bounceback year, but he didn't have a very good year last year. He was pretty mediocre.

Does he even have a damn responsibility in that defense? It's like the dude has never seen a trap before in his life.

scottyboy · 05-15-2012, 04:49 PM

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Originally Posted by scar988

2 things:
1) I know you missed me for things like the NFFL and FWF... or do we forget so quickly... and oh yeah, I got a pocket full of ***** and there's a reason for it
2) As an eagle, I put his name in there too. in a heartbeat. Again, under 5.00 yards per attempt. only 4 guys to get there the past 4 years are Asomugha, Revis, Grimes and Samuel... those 4 are 4 of my top 5 corners in the NFL

holy **** nuts just disappear again, seriously. and neg rep? really? my god go back to your 2 cent website. no one misses your ignorance here. At least my homerism is entertaining.

21ST · 05-15-2012, 05:30 PM

LONDON FLETCHER HAS NOT PLAYED IN A 4-3 defense in years. Stop going off what other people are doing. Love the fletch love though

scar988 · 05-15-2012, 05:58 PM

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Originally Posted by scottyboy

holy **** nuts just disappear again, seriously. and neg rep? really? my god go back to your 2 cent website. no one misses your ignorance here. At least my homerism is entertaining.

I used the neg rep feature for what it is. It's used when someone probably is being a d-bag like you were and well, calling them out on it.

Everyone is a homer. If they told you they weren't they'd be lying.

and btw, free country. I'll be here as long as I want to be. I don't break forum rules by being a homer.

Rosebud · 05-15-2012, 06:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Go_Eagles77

You don't think he looks like someone that needs to be a great ass rusher, just to have a chance?

Brodeur · 05-15-2012, 06:02 PM

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Originally Posted by ATLDirtyBirds

Does he even have a damn responsibility in that defense? It's like the dude has never seen a trap before in his life.

Gunther is a useless coordinator.

vidae · 05-15-2012, 06:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Brodeur

Gunther is a useless coordinator.

Yes, yes he is. He is awful.

Brodeur · 05-15-2012, 06:26 PM

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Originally Posted by vidae

Yes, yes he is. He is awful.

So, you want him back is what you're saying? Okay, give the Lions Romeo and it will be settled.

fenikz · 05-15-2012, 09:28 PM

this sexy man beast isn't on enough(any?) lists

phlysac · 05-15-2012, 09:50 PM

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Originally Posted by fenikz

this sexy man beast isn't on enough(any?) lists

I absolutely LOVE Daryl Washington. I loved him coming out, and wondered about his transition to a 3-4 MIKE. He has done tremendously and he could remain near the top for a long time. I just don't know how he could regularly be included in a top-5 3-4 ILB list just yet. Not as a knock on him, there are just so many great ILBs right now.

mightytitan9 · 05-17-2012, 01:34 PM

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Originally Posted by K Train

I am
4-3

DE
1.Julius Peppers
2.Jared Allen
3.Dwight Freeney
4.Mario Williams
5.Jason Pierre Paul

Isn't Freeney considered a 3-4 OLB now?

mightytitan9 · 05-17-2012, 01:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Go_Eagles77

The last time I tried to say that it was even arguable that Trent Cole was better than Mario Williams I became the laughing stock of the thread. I don't know what it is about Cole but he continues to get criminally under-rated on these forums.

Anyway, no one should be putting Jason Babin above Cole on their lists.

Look at their stats from 2009 when both were on the same team for the first time (in a more tradition 4-3 defensive front)

Cole - 12.5 sacks, 57 tackles
Babin - 2.5 sacks, 12 tackles

Sure, Cole was a starter and Babin a backup (to Juqua Parker), but the eagles rotate their DEs so much that their number of snaps were probably a lot closer than you would think (though I can't find the exact numbers so I may be wrong).
The point is, I love Babin, but he's a one-dimensional system DE. He lines up wide and runs full speed around the RT on damn near every play, which is why he can rack up sacks so well. The man should give Jim Washburn his first born child because he would probably still be a journeyman (and a hell of a lot poorer) without him.
Cole is a complete DE who could thrive in any 4-3 defense in the NFL.

LOL that stat is so out there it shouldn't even be used. There is no accuracy to it, he played on other teams before the Titans where far less talented DE's got more sacks.

You can argue Cole is better than Babin, but don't use horrible stats like that to try to back it up.