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Old 03-07-2013, 06:00 PM    (permalink
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So at his pro day today, Moore improved his bench from a worrying 12 reps to a "low-side-of-acceptable" 19 reps, but he decided to stand on his 40 yard dash at the combine (4.95.) That second decision is, to put it charitably, a poor choice on his part.

If I'm a GM, I'm reading into this "he ran his best 40 ever at the combine and doesn't want to put his real time on tape." Who's giving him advice?
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So at his pro day today, Moore improved his bench from a worrying 12 reps to a "low-side-of-acceptable" 19 reps, but he decided to stand on his 40 yard dash at the combine (4.95.) That second decision is, to put it charitably, a poor choice on his part.

If I'm a GM, I'm reading into this "he ran his best 40 ever at the combine and doesn't want to put his real time on tape." Who's giving him advice?
Maybe his hammy is still bothering him. Maybe he just hates running 40s. Doesn't change what he accomplished on the field, or make him a different player than he was a month ago.
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Maybe his hammy is still bothering him. Maybe he just hates running 40s. Doesn't change what he accomplished on the field, or make him a different player than he was a month ago.
If his hamstring is bothering him, why did he then run the short shuttle?

If he hates running 40s, then too bad he's applying for a job that potentially pays millions of dollars, suck it up.

You seem to be way more enamored with his tape than I am. I watched him, and I'm just not that impressed. Fourth tier guy on my board.
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Moore's shuttle and 3 cone times were both in top 5 of the Combine. So, of 6 events, he finished top 5 in four of them. Ansah finished top five in one. No other DE finished top 5 in more than four of the six. His 19 lifts were the same as Pierre-Paul, who was 20 pounds heavier with the same height and arm length. Damontre beat every other of Pierre-Paul's Combine number except the 40. Wasn't JPP supposed to be a workout warrior? Isn't Ansah supposed to be a workout warrior.

Get your heads out of your butts over this. For everyone flapping about "not seeing it on tape", you know what? No one puts any value at all on your "eye for talent". None, zero, zilch. So save your breath.
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So at his pro day today, Moore improved his bench from a worrying 12 reps to a "low-side-of-acceptable" 19 reps, but he decided to stand on his 40 yard dash at the combine (4.95.) That second decision is, to put it charitably, a poor choice on his part.

If I'm a GM, I'm reading into this "he ran his best 40 ever at the combine and doesn't want to put his real time on tape." Who's giving him advice?
Hey, 19 is pretty patheic for a 250 lb guy from a major program, but at least it shows he has done SOME work in the weightroom. 19 sucks for the most part, but 12 is totally unacceptable.

The 40 business... yikes. Not sure I want to touch that. 4.95 is horrid for his position and weight. Is there any proof that he has/had an injury?
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Moore's shuttle and 3 cone times were both in top 5 of the Combine. So, of 6 events, he finished top 5 in four of them. Ansah finished top five in one. No other DE finished top 5 in more than four of the six. His 19 lifts were the same as Pierre-Paul, who was 20 pounds heavier with the same height and arm length. Damontre beat every other of Pierre-Paul's Combine number except the 40. Wasn't JPP supposed to be a workout warrior? Isn't Ansah supposed to be a workout warrior.

Get your heads out of your butts over this. For everyone flapping about "not seeing it on tape", you know what? No one puts any value at all on your "eye for talent". None, zero, zilch. So save your breath.
I with this guy. Moore has shown in two different conferences that he can be a top pass rusher. He's going to fall right into a team like Pitt, where he'll then put up 11 sacks as a rookie.
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Still think he is a good player.
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Watch he comes into the league and is straight beast mode. The guy can play football.
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DM was up to 260 at his pro day, so I guess the interviewers told him he will play DE more than OLB. Showed good agility for a 6-5, 260 pounder. May still run his 40 at a later date according to Tony Pauline.
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19 is not weak, it's perfectly acceptable. I posted in another thread that I figured he is a young guy that went straight from playing a full college season to prepping for the combine and just overworked himself.

Not running the 40 again is puzzling. He's got to be faster than what he showed that the Combine. But if so, why not run? Just weird.

I still strongly doubt he falls past the first 25ish picks. Based on what I've seen though he's not that great coming out of a 3 point stance so I still expect 3-4 teams to have interest in him as a stand-up rusher.
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Hey, 19 is pretty patheic for a 250 lb guy from a major program, but at least it shows he has done SOME work in the weightroom. 19 sucks for the most part, but 12 is totally unacceptable.

The 40 business... yikes. Not sure I want to touch that. 4.95 is horrid for his position and weight. Is there any proof that he has/had an injury?
I really don't know what to malke of him but he's not likely to go top 20 any longer, but I did observe at the Combine that he pulled up lame in his second 40.
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He was running in the 4.7 range in training. I think most NFL scouts give him that. He and Joeckel should go 1-2 in this draft. In no particular order. Geno Smith is right there too.
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According to mr. Mayock, Moore tweaked his hamstring during on-field drills and that's why he didn't run the 40
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Seems to have a tender hammy now a days.
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Still think he is a good player.
Short and sweet, I completely agree with this. Would like to see what a coach like Gus Bradley in Jacksonville could do with him.
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It seemed doubtful that his hamstring would be healed. The Combine was only 10 days ago. Props to DM for toughing it out in the tests he did. His agility times pretty impressive for a guy with a tender hamstring.
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While I think more of Moore than some of you, I'm not real impressed with his first step. Seemed like one of the last to react to the snap. I think that is partially youth (older players showed in tests that their reaction time is significantly faster) and it may also just be who he is as a player. I don't think him playing standing up will be a problem. He's going to benefit a lot from solid coaching wherever he goes. I wonder if he wouldn't have benefitted from staying in school another year. I understand why he didn't though.
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Short and sweet, I completely agree with this. Would like to see what a coach like Gus Bradley in Jacksonville could do with him.
Gus preaches speed though. That might rule out Moore in Jax. But he is such a great character, maybe he and Gus connect at some other level.
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While I think more of Moore than some of you, I'm not real impressed with his first step. Seemed like one of the last to react to the snap. I think that is partially youth (older players showed in tests that their reaction time is significantly faster) and it may also just be who he is as a player. I don't think him playing standing up will be a problem. He's going to benefit a lot from solid coaching wherever he goes. I wonder if he wouldn't have benefitted from staying in school another year. I understand why he didn't though.
The bold is what I talked about earlier this year in this thread. He doesn't seem to explode off the edge with confidence. Seems a little sluggish to start. Like you, I think that can be fixed easily. However, he doesn't have the acceleration of players like Dion Jordan. He does have good hands and bend around OTs. Regardless of all the knocks on him, I would love to see him get drafted by the Colts in the 1st.
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my biggest knock on Moore is that I'am not sure if he wants to be an nfl player, or just get paid like one. Some of his recent actions need to be questioned.
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