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Old 06-06-2013, 06:56 AM    (permalink
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I didn't say anything about him being "obviously untrustworthy," so no idea why that's in quotes. The point was in hindsight, signs were there that make it not really come out of no where.
Again, how is that a sign? He didn't want to marry any of them, no one wants to marry any of them, they're all quite unattractive, so he simply choose the one with the largest dowry.
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I make a big deal out of small scenes in this show a lot, but the whole "a naked man has few secrets, a flayed man none" "my father banned flaying in the north" "we are not in the north" dialogue is a scene that popped to mewhen it happened and does some heavy foreshadowing about the Bolton's, even if his bastard hadn't burned down winterfell and takent theon to be his secret torture subject.
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Again, how is that a sign? He didn't want to marry any of them, no one wants to marry any of them, they're all quite unattractive, so he simply choose the one with the largest dowry.
It's the way he said it. And several other scenes that have all been pointed out. I'm not sure why you're getting upset over people looking for scenes that indicate he would do something like this after it turns out he did. How would you like people to talk about it, that there were no indications at all and we should all be as shocked as Robb even looking back? If there wernt signs, it would be poorly written IMO.
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Told a buddy yesterday, the way the Starks get **** on I don't see a way Brann or even Jon Snow, technically being a Stark, don't wreck **** and rule everything.
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haha to be fair, that can be said about every single character. it's all a **** show at this point, and it won't be resolved (for show watchers) for at least another 5+ years
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I mean with 5 years to go the odds on favorite is dani.
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I mean with 5 years to go the odds on favorite is dani.
Maybe that's exactly what Martin wants you to think.
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I think that is the issue. Every "favorite" seems to die.
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I think that is the issue. Every "favorite" seems to die.
Every fav that makes a stupid decision dies. Eddard completely handled everything wrong. His game chip was honor. He tried to play it in a game of deceit and treachery. He lost and died. Of course he did. Robb did the same thing. Had sex with a girl, fell in love, couldn't marry the Frey girl to protect his Kingdom because his honor and the chicks honor dictated that he marry her. He played the wrong chip and lost and died. "When you play the Game of Thrones you win or die. There is no middle ground."
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I finally caught up on watching this after hearing, and trying not to hear, all the uproar last week. It was spoiled for me slightly but only in that I knew a main guy died.

I haven't read through this thread so forgive if this has been already brought up but I remember earlier Tywin saying he knew of the wedding and had a plan in place. With that in mind, I had no doubt the Lannisters had something planned for the wedding. Add to that, the way Robb's men were enjoying themselves far too much for a group at war. When the doors were shut, I actually thought the whole place was going up in flames.
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Robb's men were having the exact amount of fun you would have at war if all of your leadership was at a wedding like that. Not to mention the Freys were probably providing enough alcohol to make sure it got to that point by the night.
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For the book guys, how do the actors chosen to portray the main characters look compared to how you envisioned them when reading? That's something I've always wondered about.
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For the book guys, how do the actors chosen to portray the main characters look compared to how you envisioned them when reading? That's something I've always wondered about.
- Michelle Fairley did a great job as Catelyn, but in the book she is described as far more beautiful. Sansa looks like her, while Arya has a long face like Ned.

- The guy who is tourturing Theon (I guess most of you already know who he is, I still don't want to say it) is gruesome looking.

- Theon's sister is suppose to be super hot.




The rest are fairly close.

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For the book guys, how do the actors chosen to portray the main characters look compared to how you envisioned them when reading? That's something I've always wondered about.
I read the books after I saw the first season so appearance-wise show characters = book characters
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Here are the ones that come to mind:

Daario is probably the most noticeably different but he's also got a crazy appearance in the books as he has his hair all dyed blue, with gold-dyed mustachios.

Jorah was also off to me. He was supposed to be REALLY hairy and ugly and I don't think he really comes off as that in the show.

Robb is supposed to look more Tully than Stark and I always envisioned him with redder hair as opposed to brown. Ditto Bran and Rickon. If I recall correctly, Arya is the only Stark that was "more-Stark-than-Tully" in appearance.

Tyrion was also much more deformed from his injury in the blackwater battle in the books, to the point where he lost most of his nose.

Just about everyone is younger in the books, with the most noticeably younger ones being most of the Stark kids, Dany, and Podrick.
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They changed the actor for Gregor Clegane from season 1. New guy is tall, slim and ordinary looking.

Thoros is fat in the books also.
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It's the way he said it. And several other scenes that have all been pointed out. I'm not sure why you're getting upset over people looking for scenes that indicate he would do something like this after it turns out he did. How would you like people to talk about it, that there were no indications at all and we should all be as shocked as Robb even looking back? If there wernt signs, it would be poorly written IMO.
I don't care that anyone is saying there is foreshadowing in the show. As a book reader, I'm completely aware of when the characters are doing such. Yet as I read through, very many criticized Robb's decision making, and as I see it, they did purely because of the advantages of hindsight. The Boltons being somehow obviously untrustworthy is a particular case. The Boltons are of course untrusthworthy, but that was only revealed after the Red Wedding, and I don't buy into some of the arguments made here.

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I can't purely comment on this because I didn't start reading after I had seen almost the whole of the first season, so I immediately imagined the TV character at the first mention of the person in the book. That being said, the most obvious distortion from the book is Daario, who is described as being a mix between a warrior, pirate, and most importantly, a clown. As **** as it may seem, a kind of close representation of how Daario is represented in the book;

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Also, in general as you probably know, most young characters in the book are a few years younger than their television counterparts.
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As was said Dario and Tyrion were the most noticeablely different. Danny is also rather different. Sansa's actress looks young for her
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As was said Dario and Tyrion were the most noticeablely different. Danny is also rather different. Sansa's actress looks young for her
Isn't Sansa like...14 in the book?
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