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Old 08-13-2012, 11:18 PM    (permalink
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Just so everybody is clear

http://vimeo.com/46541023

This scene is the fantasy I am talking about.

This moment



IS REAL.

Also just for comparision.

this is the guy in the scene



and this is what Bruce looks like after coming home from school in Begins



Also in case anyone is still confused at what I am saying the first woman is no way shape or form Selina Kyle.
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Oh for the love of God!


The scene in the cave that you insist is a fantasy is a MEMORY!

Yes the guy in that memory bears a resemblance to Bruce, but that is why Alfred waits for him to turn around to confirm it is not Bruce. The scene is shown so we the viewer can see the memory as Alfred tells it to Bruce.
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I don't insist it is a fantasy ALFRED said it was his fantasy. He obviously went to Florence that is obviously real. I am not saying them talking in the cave isn't real. The part at the cafe is the fantasy.
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Alfred is telling his desire to the audience and we see that his desire never comes fruition based on the MEMORY that we witness. Just because that he says he has a fantasy doesn't mean that the initial scene in Florence isn't a memory.

There are no "visual" fantasies in The Dark Knight Rises.
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I don't insist it is a fantasy ALFRED said it was his fantasy. He obviously went to Florence that is obviously real. I am not saying them talking in the cave isn't real. The part at the cafe is the fantasy.
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The part at the cafe is the fantasy.
No. It's a memory. That is what we're trying to tell you.
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I say fantasy dammit. I think that man his visual representation of young Bruce. From the last moment he saw Bruce before he left. Its not a memory if that man is supposed to be Bruce. Cause he wasn't actually there.

Oh and I can post gifs too it doesn't prove your point

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I say fantasy dammit. I think that man his visual representation of young Bruce. From the last moment he saw Bruce before he left. Its not a memory if that man is supposed to be Bruce. Cause he wasn't actually there.

Oh and I can post gifs too it doesn't prove your point

The only visual representation in this thread is your posts about this alleged fantasy which shows you are WRONG!

He's a random guy that bears a vague resemblance of Bruce at that time in the MEMORY!
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The only visual representation in this thread is your posts about this alleged fantasy which shows you are WRONG!

He's a random guy that bears a vague resemblance of Bruce at that time in the MEMORY!
I would say has more then a vague resemblance. FANTASY

You believe it is a memory based on what cause they don't have the same type of interaction as they do towards the end?. Just cause the first man weather it is Bruce or not and Alfred don't toast does not mean that Alfred could not have seen that Bruce has moved on to the next chapter of his life.

I will choose to live in ignorance and say fantasy lol.
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I say fantasy dammit. I think that man his visual representation of young Bruce. From the last moment he saw Bruce before he left. Its not a memory if that man is supposed to be Bruce. Cause he wasn't actually there.

Oh and I can post gifs too it doesn't prove your point

There is no evidence in the film that leads credence to your theory. That's the problem. Why is it more likely that what we see in the scene is Alfred having a fantasy with a man that is supposed to be Bruce Wayne (where is it supported that that man is supposed to be a young Bruce when we already know what a young Bruce would look like) than Alfred recalling a memory of a place he's been to a bunch of times and showing the audience that his wish hadn't come true. If it had been his fantasy why is the scene showing Alfred not smiling and noding? If that was supposed to be Bruce why didn't they both nod to each other? Oh yeah, because it wasn't Bruce and it wasn't a fantasy.
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There is no evidence in the film that leads credence to your theory. That's the problem. Why is it more likely that what we see in the scene is Alfred having a fantasy with a man that is supposed to be Bruce Wayne (where is it supported that that man is supposed to be a young Bruce when we already know what a young Bruce would look like) than Alfred recalling a memory of a place he's been to a bunch of times and showing the audience that his wish hadn't come true. If it had been his fantasy why is the scene showing Alfred not smiling and noding? If that was supposed to be Bruce why didn't they both nod to each other? Oh yeah, because it wasn't Bruce and it wasn't a fantasy.
Again at this point I am while content to live in ignorance lol. I already established and shown that the two man look similar based on how Bruce looked in the first movie. I can say any reason why they did not nod in the first scene but did in the second no matter what it will not be accepted as true. I am clearly not going to win this argument. You and Bigdawg will continue to argue it's a memory of a guy he sees that looks similar and is not Bruce.

So really there is no point in arguing cause it will eventually always lead to weather or not either of us can fully prove that it is a stranger or if it is a illusion of Bruce.
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Again at this point I am while content to live in ignorance lol. I already established and shown that the two man look similar based on how Bruce looked in the first movie. I can say any reason why they did not nod in the first scene but did in the second no matter what it will not be accepted as true. I am clearly not going to win this argument. You and Bigdawg will continue to argue it's a memory of a guy he sees that looks similar and is not Bruce.

So really there is no point in arguing cause it will eventually always lead to weather or not either of us can fully prove that it is a stranger or if it is a illusion of Bruce.
You are allowed to have your opinion, it just isn't supported by facts within the context of the film. Mine is. But if you're fine with that than so be it.
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You are allowed to have your opinion, it just isn't supported by facts within the context of the film. Mine is. But if you're fine with that than so be it.
I have always thought that was Bruce. Or at least his vision of Bruce. I have never really considered it to be a stranger before. Maybe you are right and I am wrong.

Its not that I am fine with being "wrong" I just don't want to argue anymore.

I have always thought they nodded and recognized each other at the end and not in the first was to of course to show he is alive but also that he is going to take Alfred's advice and move on from Batman.

Where as in the first he was not Batman yet. That Bruce had moved on and was able to resolve his parents death on his own. That by acknowledging Alfred he would have of course been reminded of his past.
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I used to think Ann Hathaway was overrated. Then I saw this movie.

Now I approve of Ann Hathaway.
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I used to think Ann Hathaway was overrated. Then I saw this movie.

Now I approve of Ann Hathaway.
Maybe if your monkey ass would see Rachel Getting Married or Love and Other Drugs, you wouldn't have thought this.
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Maybe if your monkey ass would see Rachel Getting Married or Love and Other Drugs, you wouldn't have thought this.
Tell him to watch Havoc lol.
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Maybe if your monkey ass would see Rachel Getting Married or Love and Other Drugs, you wouldn't have thought this.
I just couldn't shake the Princess Diaries image I had of her until I saw this movie.

Then I was like daaaamn. To be fair, that cat suit definitely made her body look better than it is bc she wore a corset under it to make her look more like an hour glass. But still. Good times. And shes a Tri-State girl, which scores points with me personally.

Btw, this movie proves that Batman is just like any other guy. He had to make a difficult choice. The great debate. Boobs, or booty?

First he sees Rah's daughter and he sees those ginormous tits, and he's like daaaaaamn.

But after awhile, he wised up. He saw Hathaway's booty and he was like damn son. And he ultimately made the right choice. Boobs are like rims on a car. Booty is the car's engine. Always gotta choose the engine.

It's funny how a pair of gigantic boobs can even distract Batman from thinking logically.
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Tell him to watch Havoc lol.
Havoc is terrible, even with her nudity.
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