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Old 07-23-2012, 01:47 PM    (permalink
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I've been working for 8 years now, and I've done countless interviews, being the interviewee and the interviewer, and I cannot possibly imagine anyone having that kind of prejudice in the decision making process.

If they even dare mention something so stupid, they probably would never be a part of the interview team ever again.
I guess that I just have a very low opinion of how people act internally vs what they would do in public.

It *should* have no bearing on anyone's jarb. I just suspect that there will be a sizable minority where it *will* for a while.

Also, I can't imagine the crap some of you PSU people are getting from idiots. The stuff that Grizz said happened to him when he was wearing PSU flare in the mall still bothers me.

In short, people suck.
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That's one of the dumbest rationalizations I've ever heard. To any PSU grads out there, if anyone asks a question like this, seriously, get up and leave. Any moron who would ask that question is not someone you want to entrust your livelihood to on a daily basis. Not to mention they open themselves up to a multitude of legal questions just by posing it in an interview process.

With that said, I could absolutely see someone saying something along the lines of...
I see you're a graduate of Penn State. If you were in their position, what course of action would you have taken and how do you think it would have affected the outcome of the scandal?

If it's more of, hey you're a PSU grad, do you think it's right to rape little boys?...get out of there. That interviewer is dangerously stupid.
Yes, asking it in that manner is stupid and ridiculous. But I think there are reasonable ways to bring this situation up in an interview without directly asking "Hey, what is your opinion on raping children?" And I think asking about it in a respectful, appropriate way is completely valid. I've been asked in numerous interviews what I would do if someone I worked with, including subordinates and superiors, did something completely unethical. I don't see anything wrong with tailoring that question to this particular situation.
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Yes, asking it in that manner is stupid and ridiculous. But I think there are reasonable ways to bring this situation up in an interview without directly asking "Hey, what is your opinion on raping children?" And I think asking about it in a respectful, appropriate way is completely valid. I've been asked in numerous interviews what I would do if someone I worked with, including subordinates and superiors, did something completely unethical. I don't see anything wrong with tailoring that question to this particular situation.
Agreed, hence the two scenarios above. I was replying to MassNole's assertion that someone should request your view on raping children in an interview. That's just ignorant. I COULD see a question veered towards incorporating the scandal with how you would react if it were your job to correct the issue. I believe we're saying the same thing though.

In short, it shouldn't be about raping children, but more an extrapolating the situation into a "job" situation and how you would handle it differently. I think it would be completely valid, although still in poor form for even bringing it up (just my opinion).
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In short, it shouldn't be about raping children, but more an extrapolating the situation into a "job" situation and how you would handle it differently. I think it would be completely valid, although still in poor form for even bringing it up (just my opinion).


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@JoeSchad: PSU Prez Rodney Erickson told John Barr school accepted sanctions rather than face as many as four years without football (death penalty)
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@JoeSchad: PSU Prez Rodney Erickson told John Barr school accepted sanctions rather than face as many as four years without football (death penalty)
Yeah, it was "Take this punishment NOW, or face potentially bigger punishments after criminal and NCAA investigations".

PSU got off light, IMO. Smart move by the admin.
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Yeah, it was "Take this punishment NOW, or face potentially bigger punishments after criminal and NCAA investigations".

PSU got off light, IMO. Smart move by the admin.
Weird, because a certain portion of the fanbase is calling for Erickson to resign for accepting these punishments. One guy I saw went as far as to call Erickson's office, and give his name and graduation year, and ask that Erickson resign.
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So you're saying that the NCAA was nicer than Sandusky and asked if they wanted lube or dry?
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I think they got off light. Take the punishment you pu**ies. Take the punishment like men or whine like bitches.

By even playing football this season, they risk selling themselves short. If they would have sat out a year, then they would have regained the moral authority. Take the punishment with class and dignity. If they would have taken a year off, then people would have been able to rally behind them. Now, people are calling for some Ryan Braun bull**** and anybody who wants to get out of the punishment doesn't realize how much more that would hurt their university than just accepting the blame and moving on would.
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I'm not sure any punishment by the NCAA makes sense. However, going to Penn State and asking them to take a lite penalty instead of a harsher one seems to have it backwards.
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I'm not sure any punishment by the NCAA makes sense. However, going to Penn State and asking them to take a lite penalty instead of a harsher one seems to have it backwards.
That's because the NCAA is a sham organization. They are not about justice or doing the right thing. They are about perpetuating the status quo, which is making oodles of high profit margin money on low cost labor.

The NCAA needs to be Blown up and thrown away.

You professionalize the sports and this kinda crap wouldn't happen. Dirty secrets about money wouldn't cause grown men to compromise their belief system to protect their jobs.

There is a reason that crap like this doesn't happen in the NFL. There is no need to involve people willing to break rules and/or the law to compensate players. When you start doing that, people start rationalizing away lots of bad behavior.
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I just don't understand why people think PSU got off light. This is worse than the death penalty. These sanctions will cripple the program for close to decade if not more. They are essentially going to be totally irrelevant for the the next four years and I doubt people will be lining up to play for them when the sanctions are over.
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Because the crime was the institution valuing football over integrity. They ended up losing money, but will still play this season. Bowl bans, scholarships, and fines were all secondary type penalties. They were the harshest possible secondary penalties, but they still missed the point.

Now, people will still see Penn State play football and fans don't see fines or lack of scholarships. Most people will just see a statue missing and a weaker team. If they would have taken a year off, then they would have gained the support and forgiveness of the nation. I think the program needed that more than they needed to trade $60 million for playing this season.
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That's because the NCAA is a sham organization.
I can't disagree with you, but. . .

The NCAA is an organization that manages college sports. I don't think they are equipped to handle (nor should they be) a matter like this.

This is clearly a matter that should have been left to the courts.
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I just don't understand why people think PSU got off light. This is worse than the death penalty. These sanctions will cripple the program for close to decade if not more. They are essentially going to be totally irrelevant for the the next four years and I doubt people will be lining up to play for them when the sanctions are over.
I agree. They basically have the scholarship limitations of an FCS school, and they won't be playing in any "important" games.
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Well see who transfers, but it's very likely they field a very decent team this year at least. It will only go down hill from here for a few years, but if I'm a junior or senior, I think I'd rather finish and graduate than transfer, assuming I wasnt planning on going pro.
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Sounds like they had 'em a good ol' ped ring going up there. More to come out...

http://articles.nydailynews.com/2012...arnaby-wittels
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http://articles.nydailynews.com/2012...arnaby-wittels


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Well see who transfers, but it's very likely they field a very decent team this year at least. It will only go down hill from here for a few years, but if I'm a junior or senior, I think I'd rather finish and graduate than transfer, assuming I wasnt planning on going pro.
I don't see why going pro is a factor for a junior or a senior. PSU is still on TV, and might even have more media attention. Also, if I'm a LB or a Dlineman, I would definitely stay because LJ Sr. and Vanderlin are the best at putting their players into the NFL.

On offense (QB/WR), I would probably stay because I would think that O'Brien and Hixon would be extremely knowledgeable about putting players into the NFL.
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If I was a talented enough player to be planning on going pro, I'd want to be somewhere I could finish my college career competing for something real. Not that leaving Penn State would help their pro prospects, just that I would want the college accolades as well of I thought I was talented enough to help a competitive team win a conference, national title, or even just a big bowl.
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Forgive me this ignorant question;

Just how exactly does a Four-Year 'Death Penalty' hurt PSU LESS than what it accepted as a punishment?
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Forgive me this ignorant question;

Just how exactly does a Four-Year 'Death Penalty' hurt PSU LESS than what it accepted as a punishment?
Revenue. Also, a four year death penalty would mean that, when the dust settled, their prospective recruits would have been in Junior High the last time PSU fielded a football team.

This punishment is going to hurt their program for 10 or 20 years. Four seasons of no football would have been a true "death penalty."
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Forgive me this ignorant question;

Just how exactly does a Four-Year 'Death Penalty' hurt PSU LESS than what it accepted as a punishment?
4 year death penalty is literally 4 years without football. Or revenues from football.

Plus there is a saying "out of sight, out of mind". PSU would have lost a ton of mind share in the football world.
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