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Old 04-25-2013, 09:58 PM    (permalink
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I really wanted Rhodes still not happy about Pugh.
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Hearing TC, Reese and Ross, makes me want to see the kid. I still not a fan of the pick, but I want to see this play out. I do like his versatility.

In the interview on MSG, he will learn all 5 spots if need be. So from the versatility standpoint, he fits our mold.
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Yeah, I will give JR the benefit of the doubt for sure.
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Based on what I heard from all 3 guys, TC, Reese and Ross. I want to see how he does. I think being a leader, capt, clean player, technique player, who is versatile is why we took him. According to Ross, he had a very good combine interview. Very smart player he said.

So.. let's see how this works. He can play all 5 spots, and interviewing him on MSG on the phone he said he play where ever.
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i don't hate it at all...coughlin said on msg that he's ready to start "from day 1 which is rare" and can play any oline position including center. he may have been somewhat of a reach but i trust reese to get the player we need
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quit hating on Pugh people
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Second round will be interesting. Do we move up for Carradine if he's there?
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i do think the 49ers traded up in front of us to get reid b.c that's who we wanted...ohm youngmisuk reported earlier today that vaccaro, fluker and reid were on the top of the board
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quit hating on Pugh people
I respect your opinion, but I've seen him get destroyed way too many times, and that was just against Rutgers. Against mediocre pass rushers.

He'll be a fine guard, but nothing special. Nothing worth pick 19. 2nd round? Fine. Not at 19
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I am not sure I think of 2nd round guys.. Maybe a LB? Not sure who else I know or want for that matter.
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athleticism isn't everything. he's just not that good, IMO. He'll be an average/solid guard for us. it's fine, but not at 19. not over tank. not over Rhodes. not over Floyd.
Calm down Scotty, Reese and co certainly know what they are doing.
I wouldn't relegate him to guard just yet. Let's see how he goes on the field, I think you will be pleasantly surprised.

I was commenting on Pugh's athleticism when you compared him to Diehl (whom we won superbowls with at left tackle).

I completely understand that you aren't keen on the pick, which of course id perfectly fine. But step back from the edge! :)

We can get good DT and CB in later rounds if we want to go that way. A lot can be said for retooling our aging Oline and keeping Eli upright.

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I am not sure I think of 2nd round guys.. Maybe a LB? Not sure who else I know or want for that matter.
I am looking in the next couple of rounds at LB, CB, maybe DE, DT, heck I'd be ok with Barrett Jones to groom as Baas's replacement.
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guys there is still SUCH value on the board for us in the 2nd round....ogletree has not been taken, teo (i know we hate him but 2nd rd id absolutely take him), arthur brown, carradine, moore, etc etc

i think we'll wind up with a great draft
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I still want a guard. We have no depth there. We have a collection of Tackles.

Brewer, Puke, Beatty, Mosley, and David D.

David D, Boothe and Snee are the only guards. Our depth is skeptical still for a team with a china doll at center, and Snee coming back from surgery.
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I respect your opinion, but I've seen him get destroyed way too many times, and that was just against Rutgers. Against mediocre pass rushers.

He'll be a fine guard, but nothing special. Nothing worth pick 19. 2nd round? Fine. Not at 19
even if he is a guard, i'm ok with that. boothe is on a 1 year deal and snee is up in age, we are gonna need to address that position anyway. beatty and pugh will hopefully anchor this line for the next 6-10
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puke's gonna be a guard.
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ogletree just went....unfortunate...i actually thought he'd slip into the 2nd rd. he's talented as sh*t

arthur brown....i'm praying we get him 2nd rd---he's exactly what we wanted in clint sintim
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HAHAHA the cowboys picked a center, mayock had rated as a 3rd rd guy....jerry jones is such a arrogant moron...he thinks he knows better than everyone else
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ogletree sucks though, so that's ok
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3. JUSTIN PUGH, Syracuse (6-4 , 304, 5.15, 1-2)

Three-year starter at LT. "He is short-armed (32), and he does play short-armed," one scout said. "Everybody wants to make him a guard because of that. That's fine. Maybe. I like bigger, thicker guys at guard. I'll make him a center. I was thinking about guys like Max Unger or Trey Teague, somebody that made the tackle-to-center switch. You can get away with shorter arms and less mass at center."

Graduated with a degree in finance in 3 years. "One of the smartest guys I've (scouted) in 12 years," another scout said. "Like a coach on the field." From Holland, Pa. Played in a pro-style offense. "He came into our room at Indy and told us he was a left tackle, which I'm sure his agent told him to say because they make the most money," a third scout said. "He doesn't have the feet to play out on an island. He is ornery. Good technician. He's high intangibles. He bends well enough. He's a second- or third-round guy that will be a solid player for a long time."

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Giants go against type, take OL Pugh - NFC East Blog - ESPN

It's an interesting pick because there are a couple of ways they can go with it. Pugh played tackle in college, but his arms measured short at the combine, so the pre-draft consensus was that he might be better used at guard in the NFL. The Giants have an immediate need at right tackle, and could try Pugh there. And with starters Kevin Boothe and Chris Snee returning at the guard spots, there doesn't seem to be room for him to play guard for them right away.

But these are the Giants, remember, and they don't generally use the draft to fill immediate needs. Their philosophy is that the draft is for finding high-quality players that help them build and maintain a deep roster at all possible positions. So in Pugh, they get a guy who might be able to play some tackle and might be able to play some guard and they bring him into a situation where he doesn't have to contribute right away but has a chance to play himself into a starting role whenever he's ready for it. It's not ridiculous to think he could beat out Boothe with a big camp, and if he doesn't, and they don't like him for right tackle, maybe he hangs around as a versatile reserve until he develops into a starter.

Rapid Reaction: Giants take Justin Pugh - ESPN New York

HOW HE FITS IN: The Giants’ line may be set for this season with exception at right tackle. David Diehl and James Brewer are candidates to start and Pugh might be in the mix as well.

With Diehl and Kevin Booth both on one-year deals, Pugh likely could be a starter on the line next season.

PROJECTED IMPACT: He provides immediate needed depth for the line. The Giants feel he can begin as a tackle but can fill in at any spot on the line. Could push to start at right tackle with a good camp but biggest impact may come in 2014 as a starter.

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My top five round 2 guys are

CB Jamar Taylor
LB Arthur Brown
LB Manti Te'o
S Johnathan Cyprien
WR Justin Hunter


My top five round 3 guys are

OL Barrett Jones
LB Khaseem Greene
DE Sam Montgomery
CB Logan Ryan
LB Zavier Gooden
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Outside of Arthur Brown I would take every guy you have listed in the 3rd over the 2nd round guys.
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So lets be real, we reached on Pughney.

Pros: Technician, Smart, Versatile

Cons: Weak tit with T-Rex arms (not a good combo)

Syracuse plays in the Big East. Syracuse didn't see the best pass rushers/blitzing defenses. How do we know his arms won't be a problem? He took good angles against pass rushers who will never see the bench on a pro team.

Unless someone gets hurt we drafted a backup for 2013. He's going to be a future left guard or center.

31st ranked Defense and we draft a back up weak tit OL with T-Rex arms. Makes perfect sense.

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