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Old 09-27-2013, 08:51 AM    (permalink
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Na man, I'm taking the pass rusher over the OT every time. More of an impact. Clowney is a once in a generation pass rusher, you take that over the #1 OT every time.

We're fine at OT anyway, we need interior OL help.
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OT means Pugh inside, that's 3/5 ol spots locked up. Let Damontre do his thing.
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I understand that, but Clowney is Clowney man.

I personally just feel the OT position is overrated. I wouldn't want to take one that high. I think interior OL is underrated and you can find those guys in round 2 and 3.

Clowney also gives us leverage over JPP. You can always let him walk if he's too much money.
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We have no idea what Moore is. Yes he looked good but that was preseason. You have to take Clowney in that situation.
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Even if Moore and Clowney are both awesome, we're the giants, having three beasts at DE with Eli on the otherside of the ball is how we've won 2 SBs recently. JPP, Clowney and Moore, with Big Hank to help stuff the run and our secondary would be the makings of a defense that can dominate again.

The offense just needs two capable starters on the interior OL, you can find one in FA and one on day two. Beatty-Booty-Mack-Rookie-Pugh and we're golden.
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Offensively, I want us to get 3 new interior OLmen in the draft and FA someway.

The draft pick has to be either a 1st or a 2nd, 3rd round at worst. No more mid round guys.

Ideally I want a premier pass rusher (Clowney) with our 1st and then just go heavy on OL the rest of the draft.

We need to be aggressive in FA as well. I want Byrd to shore up the secondary. I want Mack to fill in at Center.
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If we are in the mix for clowney, I would take him


I am thinking a FA OT, move Pugh inside and draft a stud OG in round 2
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I am thinking a FA OT, move Pugh inside and draft a stud OG in round 2
I prefer to spend money and higher picks on centers and guards than tackles because i think the value's better, especially since we've already spent a 1st day pick on one tackle, and a 2nd day pick and a big contract on our other tackle. But I'll be happy with any quality starter we can get from FA.
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I put this in the wrong thread but I don't want Clowney. Can't believe he just took himself out of the game yesterday.
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Atta boy Clowney. Keep dropping. Drop all the way to us.

Remember when Robert Quinn did the same thing? Or when when Coples did that?

Clowney will be fine. He's not going to put himself in harms way, it's a business decision. Everyone will forget about it once he's sacking quarterbacks in the NFL.

Did you see our pass rush yesterday? Clowney isn't a luxury, he's a need pick.
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We need Moore to play more. Tuck wasn't horrendous but meh. JPP could be healing a bit which would be cool. I REALLY like Nix but idk if that's a need. I just got a hardon from Hankins last night
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Na man.

1. He's from Notre Dame. So he's overrated by default.

2. DT bust rates are incredibly high and we can't afford to miss.

3. Always take the edge guy over the interior guy.

4. Clowney is better.
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I'm just saying I like him haha. At this point, I'm not sure what our biggest need even is. We need interior ol and d help.

And no surprise that our best players on D yesterday were our young guys. Ugh.
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I hope we can just trade down and get a lot picks. Maybe a bottrom dweller will covet a QB and make a trade for that specific guy. That would be the best option. Stock pile picks and for god sake Ross stay away from project picks.
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Depends what compensation we get. Do I want a couple extra 3rd and 4th round picks instead of taking Clowney? Hell no.

I'll take a potential HOF player over a couple of mid round scrubs any day. Ideally I want Clowney. He addresses a major need in a big way, gives us leverage over JPP in contract negotiations, and reestablishes our pass rush that we rely so heavily on.

The other needs can be addressed in FA and the rest of the draft. We don't need a million picks. We just have to hit on the ones we have.
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Depends what compensation we get. Do I want a couple extra 3rd and 4th round picks instead of taking Clowney? Hell no.

I'll take a potential HOF player over a couple of mid round scrubs any day. Ideally I want Clowney. He addresses a major need in a big way, gives us leverage over JPP in contract negotiations, and reestablishes our pass rush that we rely so heavily on.

The other needs can be addressed in FA and the rest of the draft. We don't need a million picks. We just have to hit on the ones we have.
No, no, no. I mean big time stuff. Like Redskins giving Rams, or like what we gave for ELi. 1st rounds is the currency I am looking for. I would not answer the phone for anything less than 1s.

As in swap number 1s, 3rd 5, and 1 next year. That sort of stuff. I want to see more of Clowney and is bone spurs in his leg. If that's an issue more of a reason not to want him. A million picks is fine. We have shown with normal quantity we tend to whiff on a lot of them, mainly round 2-5.

JPP is a shell of himself so he pretty much is playing himself out of a mega contract.
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Eh, JPP is hurt. I expected this from him. And he really needed training camp to hone in on his technique this year and that didn't happen. It's unfortunate.

But I'm not concerned about JPP. When those legs come back he'll be back. I honestly hope we extend him now for cheap. Get him 2 cents on the dollar while we can.
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Eh, JPP is hurt. I expected this from him. And he really needed training camp to hone in on his technique this year and that didn't happen. It's unfortunate.

But I'm not concerned about JPP. When those legs come back he'll be back. I honestly hope we extend him now for cheap. Get him 2 cents on the dollar while we can.
Well still hurts his stock. Couldn't take on double teams. Got hurt, looks fat for some reason, and now P. Dot says JPP is fine physically , but mentally may not be playing fast or 100%.

I don't mind getting him cheap, but I still want a system change. I am wouldn't not change the system because of him. We may not get thst JPP of old back.
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Alignment doesn't matter bro. 4-3 vs 3-4 is BS. That's a media driven explanation of defense thats antiquated.

A good coordinator will adjust his gap strategy to make the fronts work.
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That's true but this forces any 43 coordinator to be aggressive. Spags was aggressive, and guys like Rex Ryan and his brother and Horton are in a 34 setting. Ideally I want a 34 but if we stick to a 43 than be aggressive.

Don't put all your eggs in the font 4 pass rush basket. Supplement your pressure with blitzes that actually get home!! I want a good DC who is aggressive.
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We all want an aggressive guy. Zimmer is on the top of my list of defensive minds available.
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FA:

Sign Jaryius Byrd and Brandon Albert.

Draft:

1. Clowney
2. Best available C or LB
3. Best available C or LB
4-7. BPA

Boom. All of a sudden our team is good again.
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I mean, if Clowney is at our pick. We had BETTER take him. I don't care if he does end up busting. You DO NOT pass on a guy who can be a HOF/once in a decade type pass rusher.
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I mean, if Clowney is at our pick. We had BETTER take him. I don't care if he does end up busting. You DO NOT pass on a guy who can be a HOF/once in a decade type pass rusher.
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lol bbd, sometimes I do feel like your my long lost brown brother, except I want Mack more than Albert and a DB more than a LB.
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