Penn State Sanctions

[njx9]

Originally Posted by Santonio10

Sandusky got his due process and is rightfully in prison. What about Tim Curley and Gary Schultz? Clearly no one cares about due process for them

were they thrown in prison without a trial? then what the specific **** do you think due process is?

[iowatreat54]

Originally Posted by JoeJoeBrown

I'm just trying to figure out what Santonio's handle is on the BWI board.

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Originally Posted by Santonio10

I don't understand why you guys go to the BWI board when you dont really care anything about PSU or about what really happened there. The NCAA punished PSU for "the atmosphere." one of the punishments was making sure PSU players are keeping up with their academics and are required to report to someone from the NCAA. First of all, why isnt every school forced to do this? Second, PSU had the highest graduation amongst major college football programs and the highest among african American athletes. But yet they need to keep their academics in order? So suddenly the NCAA care about academics? By allowing PSU players to transfer to any school without losing any eligibility they are clearly putting football ahead of academics. Seems pretty hypocritical to me.

What metric do you use to measure the atmosphere of a program btw?

http://bwi.rivals.com/showmsg.asp?fi... =890&style=2

Originally Posted by T J

Penn State tied Stanford last year with the #1 Top Grad Rate among BCS teams.

And, PSU's African-American Grad rate equalled Stanford's FB Graduation rate of 87%.

PSU's high academic performance also had no achievement gap between Whites and Blacks in Grad Rates.

If the NCAA truly supported Academics over Athletics, they would be Trying to Get Players to STAY at Penn State, instead of leaving for "athletic" reasons, to go to lower Grad Rate Schools.

It just shows how the NCAA doesn't give a Rat's Rear End about Academics, when they are punishing the program with the best overall Academic Ranking, as published last December.

Hmmm possibly...

[WCH]

Originally Posted by Santonio10

I don't understand why you guys go to the BWI board when you dont really care anything about PSU or about what really happened there. The NCAA punished PSU for "the atmosphere." one of the punishments was making sure PSU players are keeping up with their academics and are required to report to someone from the NCAA. First of all, why isnt every school forced to do this? Second, PSU had the highest graduation amongst major college football programs and the highest among african American athletes. But yet they need to keep their academics in order? So suddenly the NCAA care about academics? By allowing PSU players to transfer to any school without losing any eligibility they are clearly putting football ahead of academics. Seems pretty hypocritical to me.

What metric do you use to measure the atmosphere of a program btw?

They're allowing it as an option. I'm guessing that any player who's close to graduation is going to stay at Penn State and finish their coursework. Any transfers are likely to come from the freshman and sophomore classes. They can easily transfer and still finish their coursework on schedule.

[Giantsfan1080]

So yes Santonio does not know what due process is.

[JoeJoeBrown]

Originally Posted by Santonio10

I don't understand why you guys go to the BWI board when you dont really care anything about PSU or about what really happened there. The NCAA punished PSU for "the atmosphere." one of the punishments was making sure PSU players are keeping up with their academics and are required to report to someone from the NCAA. First of all, why isnt every school forced to do this? Second, PSU had the highest graduation amongst major college football programs and the highest among african American athletes. But yet they need to keep their academics in order? So suddenly the NCAA care about academics? By allowing PSU players to transfer to any school without losing any eligibility they are clearly putting football ahead of academics. Seems pretty hypocritical to me.

What metric do you use to measure the atmosphere of a program btw?

When I'm in the mood for sheer insanity, it's great to read it just to see how insular and vile humanity can be.

A community of online people that not only do not condem, but comment on another's persons post of (and I paraphrase but it's close) "Was it rape if there was no blood?" is a sick place indeed.

The crazy conspiracy theories crack me up. "This is retaliation for JoePa pushing for instant replay" in response to the B1G penalty.

"This has nothing to do with football!" (Just ignore the fact that the school executive for student discipline was fired for trying to get the football team to follow school rules and police procedures. On campus and off campus. No extra benefits to having a large number of starters clean up a stadium for breaking into a house and assaulting a student instead of getting suspended and serving jail time.)

There is so much craziness that isn't shot down and mocked by sane PSU people. I guess the sane ones left. The moderators are definitely insane for allowing a lot of that nonsense to go on.

So once or twice a week, it's work a read.

[Santonio10]

Right to a fair trial. I'm losing my mind haha

[JHL6719]

Originally Posted by JoeJoeBrown

When I'm in the mood for sheer insanity, it's great to read it just to see how insular and vile humanity can be.

A community of online people that not only do not condem, but comment on another's persons post of (and I paraphrase but it's close) "Was it rape if there was no blood?" is a sick place indeed.

The crazy conspiracy theories crack me up. "This is retaliation for JoePa pushing for instant replay" in response to the B1G penalty.

"This has nothing to do with football!" (Just ignore the fact that the school executive for student discipline was fired for trying to get the football team to follow school rules and police procedures. On campus and off campus. No extra benefits to having a large number of starters clean up a stadium for breaking into a house and assaulting a student instead of getting suspended and serving jail time.)

There is so much craziness that isn't shot down and mocked by sane PSU people. I guess the sane ones left. The moderators are definitely insane for allowing a lot of that nonsense to go on.

So once or twice a week, it's work a read.

Great point. They're probably Slippery Rock fans now. Wont be much difference on the field.

[StickSkills]

Originally Posted by kwilk103

not sure i agree with that

1. players are able to transfer now or at the end of the season without sitting out a year

2. if they want to remain at penn state, they will still be able to play football

3. if they want to remain at penn state, but not play football, they will still have their scholarship honored

they still get a good education for free, which is the point of college

Players have had coaches (not from PSU) outside their apartments, the football building and their classes waiting to talk to them (no exaggeration on that). There are no rules for coaches to recruit them to transfer. Also, most of the players are taking summer classes. Tell me how that doesn't affect them?

Also, so far over 50 players have publically stated that they're staying at PSU, including the entire starting defense. I think Redd is the only starter on offense that hasn't publically stated that he is staying. Only 1 player has indicated that he's transferring (Nowicki to Illinois, although O'Brien said today that not a single player has said that they're transferring).

Lets face it, the transfer rules that the NCAA set up just for this was to disassemble the PSU team.

[StickSkills]

Originally Posted by JoeJoeBrown

When I'm in the mood for sheer insanity, it's great to read it just to see how insular and vile humanity can be.

A community of online people that not only do not condem, but comment on another's persons post of (and I paraphrase but it's close) "Was it rape if there was no blood?" is a sick place indeed.

The crazy conspiracy theories crack me up. "This is retaliation for JoePa pushing for instant replay" in response to the B1G penalty.

"This has nothing to do with football!" (Just ignore the fact that the school executive for student discipline was fired for trying to get the football team to follow school rules and police procedures. On campus and off campus. No extra benefits to having a large number of starters clean up a stadium for breaking into a house and assaulting a student instead of getting suspended and serving jail time.)

There is so much craziness that isn't shot down and mocked by sane PSU people. I guess the sane ones left. The moderators are definitely insane for allowing a lot of that nonsense to go on.

So once or twice a week, it's work a read.

oh how wrong you are...

The full story on Vicky Triponey.

[WCH]

Originally Posted by StickSkills

Lets face it, the transfer rules that the NCAA set up just for this was to disassemble the PSU team.

It was so that players can have a shot to play in a bowl game, if they want to. USC Juniors and Seniors were also allowed to transfer without penalty.

[njx9]

Originally Posted by WCH

It was so that players can have a shot to play in a bowl game, if they want to. USC Juniors and Seniors were also allowed to transfer without penalty.

and because they're not punishing players, in spite of what some folks seem to think.

[andyjo672]

Originally Posted by Santonio10

Right to a fair trial. I'm losing my mind haha

Sandusky got a fair trial. Schultz and Curley will get a fair trial. I don't know what you're talking about at all.

[scottyboy]

Originally Posted by Santonio10

I don't understand why you guys go to the BWI board when you dont really care anything about PSU or about what really happened there. The NCAA punished PSU for "the atmosphere." one of the punishments was making sure PSU players are keeping up with their academics and are required to report to someone from the NCAA. First of all, why isnt every school forced to do this? Second, PSU had the highest graduation amongst major college football programs and the highest among african American athletes. But yet they need to keep their academics in order? So suddenly the NCAA care about academics? By allowing PSU players to transfer to any school without losing any eligibility they are clearly putting football ahead of academics. Seems pretty hypocritical to me.

What metric do you use to measure the atmosphere of a program btw?

I think a good metric to measure "atmosphere" is the covering up of a pervert and child molester in your football program for almost a decade.

[Santonio10]

Originally Posted by scottyboy

I think a good metric to measure "atmosphere" is the covering up of a pervert and child molester in your football program for almost a decade.

He wasnt in our program. Sadusky was retired at the time. If you read the Freeh report, you would know that.

[Giantsfan1080]

Originally Posted by Santonio10

He wasnt in our program. Sadusky was retired at the time. If you read the Freeh report, you would know that.

Yet was still allowed to hang out at the campus, attend football games, have a PSU salary and office and so on. Just give it up already.

[Giantsfan1080]

Also this picture taken after Paterno already knew what Sandusky was doing. He looks real concerned.

[scottyboy]

Originally Posted by Santonio10

He wasnt in our program. Sadusky was retired at the time. If you read the Freeh report, you would know that.

Everything that you, and all these ridiculously blind and ignorant supporters, stand for sickens me. Like it actually makes me sick to my stomach.

[scottyboy]

Originally Posted by Santonio10

He wasnt in our program. Sadusky was retired at the time. If you read the Freeh report, you would know that.

The denial is just incredible. It's seriously unreal. We had a known pedophile walking around our campus and we covered it up and defended him because JoePa is god and WE ARE PENN ST so you can all suck it and are all jealous haters. It's un-*******-real.

Seriously, everyone backing penn state in this scandal (like those such as yourself in such denial) are an embarrassment to the human race. A ******* child molester. A ******* PEDOPHILE. He was waking around your campus and screwed up the lives and heads of so many innocent children, yet you're all too concerned about the ******* image of Penn st's football program and Joepa. It's just a disgrace, it really is. The excuses are just laughable. The defenses are hilarious. It's just sickening all the way around how people, such as yourself, can have such a standpoint. It's just a disgrace and disgusting

[Smooth Criminal]

Originally Posted by Santonio10

He wasnt in our program. Sadusky was retired at the time. If you read the Freeh report, you would know that.

Yes, he was just allowed to hang around the facilities and bring children on campus for his charity. And invite children to games.

But good thing Penn State was in the right and made sure he want on the coaching staff.

[Nalej]

They should all be in jail. Including the governor.

[Santonio10]

Originally Posted by andyjo672

Sandusky got a fair trial. Schultz and Curley will get a fair trial. I don't know what you're talking about at all.

I'm talking about the rush to judgement of everyone involved. Everyone is jumping to conclusions because they read a summary of the Freeh report. Anyone who actually read it knows that Freeh jumps to some big conclusions with any evidence and without even talking to the 4 main people involved. Schultz and Curley will go to trial, we will find out more, and then we can begin to draw conclusions. The evidence against Paterno in the Free report is almost non existent. People claim the "atmosphere" was the issue, but can't possibly know why without reading the report. The Freeh group themselves said that the NCAA shouldn't have used it for punishment, and that they should have done their own investigation. The Freeh report is a joke but everyone assumes they know what happened because they read a summary, or they heard a news person regurgitate the same summary without reading it or knowing any facts whatsoever.

It's funny that people claim the we have "blind" faith are also the people who won't even read the Freeh report. Laziness is not a excuse for ignorance.

[Santonio10]

Originally Posted by Smooth Criminal

Yes, he was just allowed to hang around the facilities and bring children on campus for his charity. And invite children to games.

But good thing Penn State was in the right and made sure he want on the coaching staff.

The Freeh report says that there was no connection between Sandusky retiring and the 98 investigation.

[brat316]

Shouldn't someone else punish the school? I know joe was the one leading the cover up, but it was the school who empowered him.

[Santonio10]

Originally Posted by scottyboy

The denial is just incredible. It's seriously unreal. We had a known pedophile walking around our campus and we covered it up and defended him because JoePa is god and WE ARE PENN ST so you can all suck it and are all jealous haters. It's un-*******-real.

Seriously, everyone backing penn state in this scandal (like those such as yourself in such denial) are an embarrassment to the human race. A ******* child molester. A ******* PEDOPHILE. He was waking around your campus and screwed up the lives and heads of so many innocent children, yet you're all too concerned about the ******* image of Penn st's football program and Joepa. It's just a disgrace, it really is. The excuses are just laughable. The defenses are hilarious. It's just sickening all the way around how people, such as yourself, can have such a standpoint. It's just a disgrace and disgusting

My god no one in there right mind thinks pedophilia is ok. Can you stop trying to act like supporting Penn State means we support child rape. I never said what happened was ok. So get that through your head. I don't support the decision that was made. I stand up for JoePa because there is no proof that he was even involved in the decision, let alone the cover up. Not because I think he was god, but because I think it's what's fair. Would you like it if the media labeled some close to you as a child rapist enabler without any proof?

You claim that Paterno was part of the cover up, but you probably didn't read more than the summAry of the report. B*******. Learn the facts before you write things about people. You are simply incapable of thinking for yourself and only accept the popular opinion.

[Giantsfan1080]

Originally Posted by Santonio10

The Freeh report says that there was no connection between Sandusky retiring and the 98 investigation.

Did Paterno let Sandusky hang around the campus and see him with other children when he knew of all the allegations against Sandusky?