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Old 10-26-2012, 11:10 PM    (permalink
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The most frustrating thing is that David Wilson gets no opportunity, yet we all know he could be a big play guy.
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I dont' think it's fair to downplay Alfred Morris simply because he's in the Shanny ZBS scheme. We dont' have a great line and it's no different than Arian Foster and what he has surrounding him. Really the only thing Morris lacks is break away speed. He has excellent vision, power, and decisiveness. There is no wasted movement with Morris, he never dances he hits the holes but is also surprisingly shifty finding the cutback lanes. His biggest asset though is that he always falls forward for positive gains, he reminds me in that sense of Stephen Davis. He's 3rd in the league in rushing behind AD who has a game up on him and one yard behind Arian Foster. That's nothing to sleep on.
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Old 10-27-2012, 12:32 AM    (permalink
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I dont' think it's fair to downplay Alfred Morris simply because he's in the Shanny ZBS scheme. We dont' have a great line and it's no different than Arian Foster and what he has surrounding him. Really the only thing Morris lacks is break away speed. He has excellent vision, power, and decisiveness. There is no wasted movement with Morris, he never dances he hits the holes but is also surprisingly shifty finding the cutback lanes. His biggest asset though is that he always falls forward for positive gains, he reminds me in that sense of Stephen Davis. He's 3rd in the league in rushing behind AD who has a game up on him and one yard behind Arian Foster. That's nothing to sleep on.
Sadly, that Shanahan 'stigma' won't disappear until either Morris plays without the ZBS.
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I dont' think it's fair to downplay Alfred Morris simply because he's in the Shanny ZBS scheme. We dont' have a great line and it's no different than Arian Foster and what he has surrounding him. Really the only thing Morris lacks is break away speed. He has excellent vision, power, and decisiveness. There is no wasted movement with Morris, he never dances he hits the holes but is also surprisingly shifty finding the cutback lanes. His biggest asset though is that he always falls forward for positive gains, he reminds me in that sense of Stephen Davis. He's 3rd in the league in rushing behind AD who has a game up on him and one yard behind Arian Foster. That's nothing to sleep on.
I think that's fair to say because all of the other Redskins backs suck. I found it quite funny how people thought Evan Royster would actually be decent this year.
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So is Morris second behind G3 in the offensive rookie of the year race?
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Morris should be no higher than 6th, behind the rookie QBs.
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The most frustrating thing is that David Wilson gets no opportunity, yet we all know he could be a big play guy.
Sometimes you gotta take the good with the bad. I seem to remember last year at various times Cruz screwing up massively and costing 6 points on different occasions but he always came through with a huge play. I honestly can't wait for him to start getting in more.


I also like Morris, but the bigger question there is longevity. If he got hurt and had to miss 3-4 games is he guaranteed to have his job back or is he back to 3rd string? You just never know with Shanny, and I won't know for sure how they value him when something like that happens.
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What's irritating me is all the RG3/Luck hype this week. I never thought I'd be in a position to back him, but what Weeden is doing with a rookie supplemental pick, rookie 5th round pick, rookie practice squad guy, bust Greg Little, two pedestrian TEs and no running game is just as impressive as any of the other rookie QBs. It's pretty clear he's working with less then any of the others, plus the spectre of his coaches/GM's jobs on the line.
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What's irritating me is all the RG3/Luck hype this week. I never thought I'd be in a position to back him, but what Weeden is doing with a rookie supplemental pick, rookie 5th round pick, rookie practice squad guy, bust Greg Little, two pedestrian TEs and no running game is just as impressive as any of the other rookie QBs. It's pretty clear he's working with less then any of the others, plus the spectre of his coaches/GM's jobs on the line.
I feel like all 3 have equal talent around them
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I think that is not true. Luck has Reggie Wayne and generally a superior set of receivers than Weeden has. RG3 may not play with talented receivers or pass protectors, but he is supported by a very good running game, which he helps with his mobility, but is still a significant assist in his efficiency. While I don't think that Weeden is at the level of Luck or RG3, he is in a less advantaged position than either of them.

Weeden, Luck, and RG3 all do have inferior supporting casts than Russell Wilson or Ryan Tannehill, however.
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Lol... wut?

No. The Dolphins WRs are garbage. Their OL is shaky at best. Bush is a really good back but Tannehill's supporting cast is as bad as anyone's.
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Lol... wut?

No. The Dolphins WRs are garbage. Their OL is shaky at best. Bush is a really good back but Tannehill's supporting cast is as bad as anyone's.
I was thinking that but wasn't sure if he was serious.
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No. The Dolphins WRs are garbage. Their OL is shaky at best. Bush is a really good back but Tannehill's supporting cast is as bad as anyone's.
Umm do the names Devon Bess and Brian Hartline mean anything to you? Those guys are studs
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Morris succeeding bc the zbs is a load of bull. He was a nice find late in the draft and very impressive. I do agree though that having Griffin s threat of running is also a big boost.
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What's irritating me is all the RG3/Luck hype this week. I never thought I'd be in a position to back him, but what Weeden is doing with a rookie supplemental pick, rookie 5th round pick, rookie practice squad guy, bust Greg Little, two pedestrian TEs and no running game is just as impressive as any of the other rookie QBs. It's pretty clear he's working with less then any of the others, plus the spectre of his coaches/GM's jobs on the line.
I see the point your trying to make, but don't try and force your point by calling them "rookie supplemental pick" and things like that. Josh Gordon is really good and will be really good. It doesn't matter if he was a real NFL draft pick or a supplemental pick. Then you ignore how good Trent Richardson is, and then say "no running game". You have a point about what Weeden is doing and I agree he's overlooked but don't try and make the situation worse then what it is because it just makes people ignore the point you were trying to make.


He doesn't have an all star cast, but Joe Thomas, Trent Richardson, Alex Mack, and Josh Gordon isn't a bad core to grow with at all. Of course it's not the best the league has to offer, but for argument sakes that's better then anything Sam Bradford has ever had his whole time in the NFL.
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He doesn't have an all star cast, but Joe Thomas, Trent Richardson, Alex Mack, and Josh Gordon isn't a bad core to grow with at all. Of course it's not the best the league has to offer, but for argument sakes that's better then anything Sam Bradford has ever had his whole time in the NFL.
Cleveland actually has some real nice pieces to build around when you look at that. I think Mitchel Schwartz can develop into a nice RT as well. If they could add some dependable guys at WR and get a stud interior offensive lineman then I see no reason why this offense can't take off.
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I think you can add Rubin, Haden and Phil Taylor to the mix. But I agree this offensive core is not that bad at all.
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Raymell Rice is no Douglas Martin

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Ray Rice is no Douglas Martin
yeah, neither is AP.
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Nate Potter started at LT today, had the benefit of Clay Matthews sitting out, didn't look any worse than Batiste
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I was at the Raiders-Bucs game today and Martin just ran absolutely wild.

He also seemed to be having a great time, as he spent a lot of time on the sidelines pumping up Bucs fans and blowing kisses to Raiders fans who flipped him off.

A lot of people didn't know this was a homecoming game for him. He was born and raised in Oakland, so it was nice to see him put on a show here.
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