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I hope you get served crow tonight. You've gotten too cocky for your own good.
What did I just say in that previous statement that was cocky? The one night I was cocky I was messing around with you and the troll. It's a division game it's going to be close.
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I thought that may have been the case too honestly and that maybe he was just a really solid #2 but he's worth every penny. Granted all the action I have seen was pre-season for the Cowboys, but the guy never gets injured, is extremely strong and has one of the most impressive jams at the LOS you will see, he re-routes guys off of their routes, and has great ball skills.


He hasn't much chance to play outisde of Flowers' shadow as 'the guy' yet, and he was in a somewhat small market, but I'm already sold. I know I hadn't even got to see much of him in KC but Ryan will have some added flexibility in what he calls now that he has competent CB's now. Terrance Newman was a complete joke last year, and don't get me started on Alan Ball again.
Yeah I think Carr will be a very good player in Dallas but I don't see him as this shutdown CB. I wouldn't be surprised if by the start of next year he is the #2 guy, which giving up to a top 10 pick in the draft is not exactly a terrible thing.

I really think if Jenkins comes back healthy and willing then the Cowboys secondary could really turn into a strength after being a bit of a laughing stock last year
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Yeah the Giants pass rush as a unit is way better although I really like Rob Ryan's schemes. Depending on how well Claiborne plays the Cowboys CBs in particular could be nasty, although I do think Carr has been overrated recently.

Nicks being banged up doesn't help much though
Carr is the only proven CB on their team right now and this is his 1st year in that scheme. You have no idea if Claiborne will play well. Scandrick blows.

Webster will play well for the Giants and after that our CB situation is a total mess right now also. I like our duo of Rolle/Phillips better than Sensabaugh and whoever else they'll play out there.
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Here is an interesting article on NFL Films blog about America's Game: 2011 New York Giants.

There is a photo slide show at the bottom of the article where you can see the set and how they film it. Some pretty good pictures of Tuck, Manning, and Coughlin.

http://nflfilms.nfl.com/2012/09/04/p...w-york-giants/
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What did I just say in that previous statement that was cocky? The one night I was cocky I was messing around with you and the troll. It's a division game it's going to be close.
I guess that's still sticking in my head. The Cowboys are a far ways from last year when Terence Newman, Alan Ball and Frank Walker were defending your WRs. I can see you bashing our OL, but we've done things to help our secondary. You sound like you're just down playing what we tried to do to make improvements there.
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I guess that's still sticking in my head. The Cowboys are a far ways from last year when Terence Newman, Alan Ball and Frank Walker were defending your WRs. I can see you bashing our OL, but we've done things to help our secondary. You sound like you're just down playing what we tried to do to make improvements there.
Jerry Jones is the anti Jerry Reese. He stacks up on DBs we stack up on passrushers.
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I guess that's still sticking in my head. The Cowboys are a far ways from last year when Terence Newman, Alan Ball and Frank Walker were defending your WRs. I can see you bashing our OL, but we've done things to help our secondary. You sound like you're just down playing what we tried to do to make improvements there.
You've tried to make improvements there but it's the first game and you have no idea if they'll all play well together tonight. Claiborne is going to be a good but this is still his first game on a huge stage against 2 of the best WR's in the NFL and a QB who will be looking to take advantage. Carr is playing his first game in Ryan's scheme also so we don't know what to expect. Your S duo still leaves a lot to be desired. It's not cocky it's the truth.
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You've tried to make improvements there but it's the first game and you have no idea if they'll all play well together tonight. Claiborne is going to be a good but this is still his first game on a huge stage against 2 of the best WR's in the NFL and a QB who will be looking to take advantage. Carr is playing his first game in Ryan's scheme also so we don't know what to expect. Your S duo still leaves a lot to be desired. It's not cocky it's the truth.
You trolll so often it's hard to take you seriously anymore. Especially when you say stuff like "we don't know what to expect" about the Dallas secondary and then go on to bash them. If you don't know what to expect, then let it play out before you go proclaiming that they can't hang with your WRs.

Let's be real about "what's true"... you don't know.... and leave it at that.
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You've tried to make improvements there but it's the first game and you have no idea if they'll all play well together tonight. Claiborne is going to be a good but this is still his first game on a huge stage against 2 of the best WR's in the NFL and a QB who will be looking to take advantage. Carr is playing his first game in Ryan's scheme also so we don't know what to expect. Your S duo still leaves a lot to be desired. It's not cocky it's the truth.

Yea, so you guys should put up an easy 49 points then right? I don't think anybody is saying the secondary is going to shut people down, I don't know if that's what your implying or not. Even with that terrible secondary last year the Cowboys were still up 12 points with 4 minutes to go and an overthrow to Austin away from wrapping the game up. So while it's fun to talk x's and o's beore hand it doesn't really matter all that much.


Both teams are very evenly matched, the strengths may be different for both but top to bottom they are two talented, evenly matched teams. Even if you do point out all the bad areas of the secondary that doesn't change that fact.
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Did I say we're going throw up 49 points? I'm not implying that people were saying the Cowboys secondary was going to come in and shut everyone down but I am sick of hearing how the crappy secondary you had last year is now all off a sudden improved because of 2 players one of which has never played a down in the NFL. It's going to take time for them to get their games together and I expect some struggles tonight.

I expect some of the same problems from the Giants CB's tonight also. Like I said though I think the difference is our S duo and pass rush is better than what the Cowboys have to offer at this moment. I believe that will tip the scales in our favor tonight while your secondary improves throughout the year.
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I don't see how doubting a rookie corner and a weak safety group is really trolling.

We really don't know what to expect, but saying/thinking a rookie corner in his first game, under the lights and big stage while covering a top 5 WR tandem and top 5 WR will struggle/isn't all that scary right now really isn't too far off now, is it?
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From and outsider's perspective, Jerry Reese seems to have stacked up on DBs more than pass rushers...

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Rob Ryan is the big key to this matchup. He has made lot less talented defenses look very good such as Cleveland. If he starts running a lot of cover 0 then sure the Giants WR's could have a nice day if their o-line stands up to blitzes and pressure packages, however I think he knows the limitations of the safeties and what to expect of both Carr and Claiborne and won't put them in too many situations to be exploited.
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Did I say we're going throw up 49 points? I'm not implying that people were saying the Cowboys secondary was going to come in and shut everyone down but I am sick of hearing how the crappy secondary you had last year is now all off a sudden improved because of 2 players one of which has never played a down in the NFL. It's going to take time for them to get their games together and I expect some struggles tonight.
Nobody cares if your sick of hearing it, it's absolutely 100% true that the secondary is improved. I could care less that Claiborne is a rookie or not it doesn't make that statement any less of the truth. You do know there is a difference between 'improved' and 'dominant' right? Your also reaching to try and point out defeciancies too. Because let's bring up how Carr is playing his first game in Ryan's scheme, as if covering a WR man to man here is a collosal jump from the 3-4 defense he just came from.


It will be a much improved secondary, that's not going to change just because your tired of hearing about it. It shouldn't even really be that much of a compliment because with how bad our secondary was there was improvement by subtraction. But it's obvious you had no clue how bout Newman and Ball were. And that Frank Walker played quite extensively.


You don't have to go out of your way to try and point out the laundry list of positions the Cowboys don't have all-pro players at, that's painfully obvious to pretty much everyone. That's like me trying to hammer home points about your CB injuries/depth, and LT situation, and harp on that non-stop as if it's the sole reason we will win.
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You are looking at one round D... Hardly a qualifying sample size.
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I don't see how doubting a rookie corner and a weak safety group is really trolling.

We really don't know what to expect, but saying/thinking a rookie corner in his first game, under the lights and big stage while covering a top 5 WR tandem and top 5 WR will struggle/isn't all that scary right now really isn't too far off now, is it?
Go on down playing them. I'm actually starting to like the anti-hype.
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I hate Dallas but...

I would love to see and I would seriously crack a smile if that secondary holds its own tonight and shuts up some of y'all. Not sure it'll happen and I would still like NYG to win, but I always love seeing people get shut up.
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Nobody cares if your sick of hearing it, it's absolutely 100% true that the secondary is improved. I could care less that Claiborne is a rookie or not it doesn't make that statement any less of the truth. You do know there is a difference between 'improved' and 'dominant' right? Your also reaching to try and point out defeciancies too. Because let's bring up how Carr is playing his first game in Ryan's scheme, as if covering a WR man to man here is a collosal jump from the 3-4 defense he just came from.


It will be a much improved secondary, that's not going to change just because your tired of hearing about it. It shouldn't even really be that much of a compliment because with how bad our secondary was there was improvement by subtraction. But it's obvious you had no clue how bout Newman and Ball were. And that Frank Walker played quite extensively.


You don't have to go out of your way to try and point out the laundry list of positions the Cowboys don't have all-pro players at, that's painfully obvious to pretty much everyone. That's like me trying to hammer home points about your CB injuries/depth, and LT situation, and harp on that non-stop as if it's the sole reason we will win.
We're discussing the game tonight right? I'd have no problems if you brought up our banged up corners or how the line tonight scares me. Usually one points out the strengths and weaknesses of the opposing team while doing so. I didn't realize I was so out of line pointing out stuff like that.
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You are looking at one round D... Hardly a qualifying sample size.
Yeah, but that's a strong trend. If that's not stacking up, then I don't know what is. It's a brilliant strategy to stack up on both DBs and DL though.
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I am normally a mild Giants supporter but I've got Dez Bryant in fantasy this year so go Cowboys!
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Go on down playing them. I'm actually starting to like the anti-hype.
WHAT?

what anti-hype? Saying a ROOKIE corner might struggle against a top 5 WR duo and top 5 QB IN HIS FIRST GAME

come on, D. Has parenthood worn you down and made you this delusional? I don't see what's so wrong about that sentiment.

And you're starting Barry Church at safety, are you not? sorry if he doesn't scare me. that's not "downplaying him", he's just a mediocre safety.
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