Week 2 Discussion Thread

[SuperPacker]

I hear Finley's agent is talking **** about A-Rod. When are we going to get rid of this stupid **** and everyone involved with him?

[diabsoule]

Originally Posted by prock

Does anyone else think that last night's game was the ugliest game in recent memory?

Yeah, it was. Watching the replacement refs this week has made me come close to just not caring about the NFL this season.

[BeerBaron]

Originally Posted by SuperPacker

I hear Finley's agent is talking **** about A-Rod. When are we going to get rid of this stupid **** and everyone involved with him?

This is why he was only given a 2 year extension. I think the Packers realize that he's just a poor fit for their precision offense. He's as talented as they come, but he's dumb, drops a lot of passes, and talks out of his ass. He's the embodiment of a momentum killer for that offense.

[Giantsfan1080]

Originally Posted by Ness

So he deserves to get in a car accident because he worked hard for his fortune?

What does money have to do with this anyways?

Did I say he deserved to get into a car accident? This happens to millions of people all around the world. It has nothing to do with catching a break.

[Ness]

Originally Posted by Giantsfan1080

Did I say he deserved to get into a car accident? This happens to millions of people all around the world. It has nothing to do with catching a break.

Neither does the amount of money you've obtained. That has nothing to do with your mortality being in jeopardy every few months.

[Giantsfan1080]

Stop being so dramatic.

[killxswitch]

The driver of the car broke his back, he got a scratch on his eye and was able to play in the game. Sounds like he caught a pretty big break to me.

[SuperPacker]

Originally Posted by BeerBaron

This is why he was only given a 2 year extension. I think the Packers realize that he's just a poor fit for their precision offense. He's as talented as they come, but he's dumb, drops a lot of passes, and talks out of his ass. He's the embodiment of a momentum killer for that offense.

Yeah it was a smart move only giving him 2 years. When YOTTO 3.0 inevitably fails, we can just get rid of him.

[K Train]

finley would be so good in the steelers offense which is everything that a precision offense is not

[bigbluedefense]

Originally Posted by K Train

finley would be so good in the steelers offense which is everything that a precision offense is not

This is the Steelers offense:

1. Call a play
2. Execute the play
3. Watch Ben struggle to read the defense.
4. Watch Ben hold the ball, possibly take a shot to the ribs while evading the pass rush.
5. Watch everyone break off their routes.
6. Watch Ben run around some more, and hit somebody downfield for 20 yards when the play broke down.

I used to kill Ben bc he's not a conventional qb, and I just didn't see how he could have long term success in the NFL playing backyard football every play. But give the man credit, he makes it work, even if it's not the tradional way of doing it.

He's aging at twice the rate of any normal qb though.

[BeerBaron]

That is pretty much every Steelers play ever.

On 3rd downs, the pass usually goes to Heath Miller who catches it and manages to just barely pick up the first down. Every time. Heath might only have 3 catches in a given game, but each one will be to pick up a key third down.

[K Train]

Originally Posted by bigbluedefense

This is the Steelers offense:

1. Call a play
2. Execute the play
3. Watch Ben struggle to read the defense.
4. Watch Ben hold the ball, possibly take a shot to the ribs while evading the pass rush.
5. Watch everyone break off their routes.
6. Watch Ben run around some more, and hit somebody downfield for 20 yards when the play broke down.

I used to kill Ben bc he's not a conventional qb, and I just didn't see how he could have long term success in the NFL playing backyard football every play. But give the man credit, he makes it work, even if it's not the tradional way of doing it.

He's aging at twice the rate of any normal qb though.

youd think so, with all the sacks and the motorcycle accident and what not but he isnt really showing any effects of being 30. He looks sharp right now at least. I think haley will do big things with ben and the offense in general. But ^^^that offense is much better than the one bruce arians wanted.

Bubble Screen to ward
Deep to wallace
Draw

The oline is pure ****, but even if there was a brick wall blocking for ben hed hold on to the ball too long, get hit a lot, roll out to his right, and be the only guy in the NFL that getting sakced 5 or 6 times has little to no baring on the outcome of the game

[K Train]

Originally Posted by BeerBaron

That is pretty much every Steelers play ever.

On 3rd downs, the pass usually goes to Heath Miller who catches it and manages to just barely pick up the first down. Every time. Heath might only have 3 catches in a given game, but each one will be to pick up a key third down.

love how much heath is being targeted with haley, will be even more when weslye saunders returns because saunders blocks his ass off on every play

[tjsunstein]

Originally Posted by SuperPacker

I hear Finley's agent is talking **** about A-Rod. When are we going to get rid of this stupid **** and everyone involved with him?

Do you have any quotes? I dont doubt it but it seems like theres always something coming out of that camp that makes me shake my head. Get him out of Green Bay, he really isnt worth what he'll demand. I trust TT to draft a guy or we'll continue to develop DJ Williams within. Either way, I have confidence we'll be prepared for his departure.

[Raiderz4Life]

Originally Posted by bigbluedefense

This is the Steelers offense:

1. Call a play
2. Execute the play
3. Watch Ben struggle to read the defense.
4. Watch Ben hold the ball, possibly take a shot to the ribs while evading the pass rush.
5. Watch everyone break off their routes.
6. Watch Ben run around some more, and hit somebody downfield for 20 yards when the play broke down.

I used to kill Ben bc he's not a conventional qb, and I just didn't see how he could have long term success in the NFL playing backyard football every play. But give the man credit, he makes it work, even if it's not the tradional way of doing it.

He's aging at twice the rate of any normal qb though.

It's so much fun to watch. Big Ben is my absolute favorite QB from that class. Was a fan since day 1.

[BeerBaron]

Originally Posted by raiderz4life

It's so much fun to watch. Big Ben is my absolute favorite QB from that class. Was a fan since day 1.

Miami-Ohio always seemed to play on Tuesday/Wednesday nights on ESPN 2, so I got to watch him for pretty much all of his final year of school. I think a big part of what drew me heavily into the draft was following him into it since I had seen more of him than just about any other college player ever.

I miss that. I get why schools are hesitant to play those games (forces a very short week on you) but the exposure it gets your school is awesome. Watching non-BCS conference games on those nights is always fun.

[nrk]

Originally Posted by Ness

By the way can Aldon Smith catch a break?



http://blogs.sacbee.com/49ers/archiv...car-crash.html

Awww poor Aldon, no he can't catch a break. He got a cut above his eye!! The driver only broke his/her back. Poor Aldon though!

[SuperPacker]

ARod is a great QB he isn’t a great leader. There’s a major difference. Leaders take the blame & make every1 better. He doesn’t.

my opinion has nothing 2 do w Jermichael. I simply stated that there’s a major diff b/t Manning/Brees/Brady & Arod as leaders

He says it has nothing to do with Jermichael, but then why is he even talking about A-Rod if it wasn't through or relevant to Finley. And even if it isn't Finley is an idiot surrounding himself with other idiots.

[descendency]

Jermichael Finley has a second career as a ventriloquist? You see his agents mouth moving, but it's clearly Finley talking...

[Halsey]

Where did all the good RBs go? I'm starting to wonder if there's so much of a focus on pass blocking that offenses are not run blocking well. Or maybe we're seeing the results of a talent drain at RB. More prospects that could be RBs may be encouraged to play other positions.

[bigbluedefense]

Originally Posted by Halsey

Where did all the good RBs go? I'm starting to wonder if there's so much of a focus on pass blocking that offenses are not run blocking well. Or maybe we're seeing the results of a talent drain at RB. More prospects that could be RBs may be encouraged to play other positions.

I think it's both. Blocking is all about repetition and practice. Teams who pass block more are better at it. Teams who run block more are better at it. If you noticed, most OLs are either good in 1 and bad in the other, or bad at both. Rarely do you ever see an OL that's great at both. Maybe 1 or 2 in the league at best.

Teams throw more than ever, so run blocking doesn't get the reps it used to get.

Couple that with your point on less players wanting to be RBs in college, and the run game just isn't what it used to be.

[descendency]

Originally Posted by Halsey

Where did all the good RBs go?

Stevan Ridley is in NE. He hasn't gone anywhere.

[gpngc]

Originally Posted by Halsey

Where did all the good RBs go? I'm starting to wonder if there's so much of a focus on pass blocking that offenses are not run blocking well. Or maybe we're seeing the results of a talent drain at RB. More prospects that could be RBs may be encouraged to play other positions.

I mean obviously the game's become much more pass-heavy at all levels so some kids who in the past would have been RBs are now WRs... think Harvin/Watkins/etc.

Death has only come to fullbacks, and the game isn't suited for backs who can't operate in the passing game.

There is also a new position of RB/Slot with guys catching 60+ passes a year out of the backfield or in a receiver postion (Bush, Sproles, Spiller, Forte). But to your point - they aren't necessarily not good runners...

So today's backs are more skilled in the passing game, but there are a ton of great pure runners still left...

Off the top of my head...

Peterson's one of the best ever in terms of pure RB-specific skills.

Foster
McCoy
Rice
Lynch
Richardson
FJax
DMac
Mathews

Just because there aren't any Bettises and Turner and SJax kinda suck now doesn't mean there aren't a bunch of real good runners in today's NFL.

[K Train]

im intrigued by the rams +8 against the bears and the chiefs+ 9 against the saints this week

[abaddon41_80]

There are some good, young up-and-coming backs in the league. Ridley, Spiller, Richardson, Murray and Martin, off of the top of my head. Then there are already established guys like Forte, Foster and McCoy who are 26 or younger. I don't feel like there is a shortage of good backs